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EXCALIBUR vs. JEDI LIGHT SABER
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ooh, oooh, something i know about!! Yes, the lightsabre would slice straight through excalibur, straight through the person holding excalibur, and straight through you if you're not careful. The blade has no weight and is extremely easy to hurt yourself with (and when talking lightsaber, hurt is a bad thing). The blade can cut through anything, given enough time. It still meets resistence as it passes through materiels. That is why it occasionally bounces off things. And that is also why you would want to hold it in two hands.... It's much more precise.
In episode 5, when vader blocks the blaster bolts, he doesn't use his hand. The hand is more like a motion that helps him summon the force, much like the "Pushes" in episode 1 that throw the droids back. He "casts" what is known as a force sheild, which absorbs the energy of the blaster bolts. It works on pretty big weapons, depending on who's using it. Vader could probably use it to stop an e-web. (kind of like a 20mm cannon). I don't know about lukes lightsabre bouncing off him, i don't remember that bit. Still, remember how easily it took his arm off.
Although vader (then anakin skywalker) had the highest metachlorian count they had ever seen, remember, luke is not born yet, and won't be for a long time. Luke has FAR more natural force ability than vader (hence, far more metachlorians). You can read about this in the books, or just watch the films again. Luke defeats Vader after only being a Jedi for 5-10 years. Vader has been training since he was 10 (and i think he's about 80 in ROTJ, the force prolongs life). Vader is the one who wiped out almost all the jedi, including the jedi council (goodbye Samuel L. Jackson). Then he is beaten by someone who has only just attained the rank of Jedi Knight? By the time Luke is a Jedi master, he is infinetly more powerful than vader ever was or ever could have been. BTW, to anyone who is interested, Vader had a far higher ability with the force than the emporer, don't ask me why he was serving under him. Maybe some of the slave mentality remained and let the emporer rule over him as a slave master would.
The "Batteries" On a lightsaber are good for somewhere around 120 years, i think you'd have time to nip down to the local store and get some more. It uses a small power cell, not difficult to get (in Star wars world). The Lightsabre somehow reflects power back into itself, thereby contunually recharging the battery (a bit like a car really) But again, the more you slice and dice, the quicker it runs out. I *think* that is what was happening to Obi-wan-Kenobi's in Star wars.
Well, that's about it for me.
James
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In episode 5, when vader blocks the blaster bolts, he doesn't use his hand. The hand is more like a motion that helps him summon the force, much like the "Pushes" in episode 1 that throw the droids back. He "casts" what is known as a force sheild, which absorbs the energy of the blaster bolts. It works on pretty big weapons, depending on who's using it. Vader could probably use it to stop an e-web. (kind of like a 20mm cannon). I don't know about lukes lightsabre bouncing off him, i don't remember that bit. Still, remember how easily it took his arm off.
Although vader (then anakin skywalker) had the highest metachlorian count they had ever seen, remember, luke is not born yet, and won't be for a long time. Luke has FAR more natural force ability than vader (hence, far more metachlorians). You can read about this in the books, or just watch the films again. Luke defeats Vader after only being a Jedi for 5-10 years. Vader has been training since he was 10 (and i think he's about 80 in ROTJ, the force prolongs life). Vader is the one who wiped out almost all the jedi, including the jedi council (goodbye Samuel L. Jackson). Then he is beaten by someone who has only just attained the rank of Jedi Knight? By the time Luke is a Jedi master, he is infinetly more powerful than vader ever was or ever could have been. BTW, to anyone who is interested, Vader had a far higher ability with the force than the emporer, don't ask me why he was serving under him. Maybe some of the slave mentality remained and let the emporer rule over him as a slave master would.
The "Batteries" On a lightsaber are good for somewhere around 120 years, i think you'd have time to nip down to the local store and get some more. It uses a small power cell, not difficult to get (in Star wars world). The Lightsabre somehow reflects power back into itself, thereby contunually recharging the battery (a bit like a car really) But again, the more you slice and dice, the quicker it runs out. I *think* that is what was happening to Obi-wan-Kenobi's in Star wars.
Well, that's about it for me.
James
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I would take the lightsabre:
Excalibre: assuming the magic abilities are only: 1)able to cut through anything 2)indestructable
pros: industructable
cons: heavier
Lightsabre:
pros: lighter (and it DOES NOT run out of "batteries:, ever)
cons: it is, of course, susceptible to breakage.
Don't forget in "Empire returns" Han didn't seem to have any problem using it to cut open the Ton-Ton. Nor did Luke seem to have any problem whatsoever when he first started practicing. I will use the analogy of a common sword to a rapier. I think you guys are reading too much into the "gyroscope effect" It might take a little practice to get used to the inertial shifts, but it wouldn't take that long.
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Excalibre: assuming the magic abilities are only: 1)able to cut through anything 2)indestructable
pros: industructable
cons: heavier
Lightsabre:
pros: lighter (and it DOES NOT run out of "batteries:, ever)
cons: it is, of course, susceptible to breakage.
Don't forget in "Empire returns" Han didn't seem to have any problem using it to cut open the Ton-Ton. Nor did Luke seem to have any problem whatsoever when he first started practicing. I will use the analogy of a common sword to a rapier. I think you guys are reading too much into the "gyroscope effect" It might take a little practice to get used to the inertial shifts, but it wouldn't take that long.
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One thing i forgot to mention - Assuming you can make a lightsabre, you can make it any colour you can find a gem for. Including clear (ooh, that would be dangerous). Trying to make black ligt work could be interesting.
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All knives are created equal, then i get my dirty big hands on them and the real fun begins.
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I don't mean to start a flame war here, but how can any of you think that excalibur can beat the Jedi Sabre. I mean jeez, give me a break. The Jedi Sabre can cut through blast doors, wondermaterial beams, etc.
Can you pry with a Jedi Sabre? I would guess that you can convert the cutting beam into a force beam that makes into a bar instead of sword.
Can you pry with a Jedi Sabre? I would guess that you can convert the cutting beam into a force beam that makes into a bar instead of sword.
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Light Sabre....no question.
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check this site http://icdweb.cc.purdue.edu/~basiaga/lightsabre.html
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better site http://www.synicon.com.au/sw/ls/sabres.htm
You know this whole thing really depends on the powers that you give Excalibre. Is it really indestructable? Does it grant swordsmanship? So until you clearly define this there will no solid answer.
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Ohoshin has the definitive lightsabre site, from whence my quotes, and most of my knowledge came.
You gentle posters who favor the lightsabre over Excalibur had best reconsider. Remember, the force applied to the handle will cause the lightsabre to move at an angle 90 degrees from the force applied. Remember your science teacher sitting on a rotating stool with a spinning bicycle wheel.
If two novices pick up the respective weapons mentioned, the one with the lightsabre would have just enough time, after discovering the gyroscopic effect of the lightsabre beam, to think 'What the f**...' He would be then in two pieces or more.
Further, what is wrong with the French running the Galaxy? At we would have decent food, wine, perfumes and fashions. True, no decent vehicles or engineers, but...hey, you can't have everything.
Obi two Walt
You gentle posters who favor the lightsabre over Excalibur had best reconsider. Remember, the force applied to the handle will cause the lightsabre to move at an angle 90 degrees from the force applied. Remember your science teacher sitting on a rotating stool with a spinning bicycle wheel.
If two novices pick up the respective weapons mentioned, the one with the lightsabre would have just enough time, after discovering the gyroscopic effect of the lightsabre beam, to think 'What the f**...' He would be then in two pieces or more.
Further, what is wrong with the French running the Galaxy? At we would have decent food, wine, perfumes and fashions. True, no decent vehicles or engineers, but...hey, you can't have everything.
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Little bit off-topic, but I thought it was applicable...
Have we all noticed that good-guy lightsabers are all blue or green, while all bad-guy lightsabers are red? How does that happen? If each one of these things is made by hand out of materials that the individual Jedi finds/makes, this points to a startling coincidence, neh?
If, on the other hand, we imagine that the prospective Jedi weaponsmith heads down to Crazy Hakim's House of Lightsaber Supplies, what are the moral implications? I mean, who's gonna walk in and say, "Pardon, but I was planning on converting to the Dark Side forthwith, and would like to buy a set of red crystals--No, wait! Make it two--I'm feeling especially nimble." Do they sell these things? I mean, you have a Sith Lord in the shop...are YOU gonna tell him, "I'm sorry, but there's a five-day waiting period on Red Crystals?" BUT, then aren't you morally at fault for all of the slaughtered good Jedi, if you DO let him have them?
Or do they only sell blue and green, but include a free red one, "Just in case..."?
And what about the female Jedi out there? How are they supposed to accessorize and colour-coordinate? Not just everything goes with blue and green and red, y'know! How 'bout black or white crystals? And how much trouble do you get in with the council, if you use a set of white crystals after Labor Day? Huh? Huh?
Finally, it boggles the mind not only that a seemingly random experience for each Jedi should have exposed such a pattern, but that I'm actually sitting here boggling over it.
I gotta change jobs...
I hear Jabba is hiring dancing girls...my thighs ain't too bad...
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Have we all noticed that good-guy lightsabers are all blue or green, while all bad-guy lightsabers are red? How does that happen? If each one of these things is made by hand out of materials that the individual Jedi finds/makes, this points to a startling coincidence, neh?
If, on the other hand, we imagine that the prospective Jedi weaponsmith heads down to Crazy Hakim's House of Lightsaber Supplies, what are the moral implications? I mean, who's gonna walk in and say, "Pardon, but I was planning on converting to the Dark Side forthwith, and would like to buy a set of red crystals--No, wait! Make it two--I'm feeling especially nimble." Do they sell these things? I mean, you have a Sith Lord in the shop...are YOU gonna tell him, "I'm sorry, but there's a five-day waiting period on Red Crystals?" BUT, then aren't you morally at fault for all of the slaughtered good Jedi, if you DO let him have them?
Or do they only sell blue and green, but include a free red one, "Just in case..."?
And what about the female Jedi out there? How are they supposed to accessorize and colour-coordinate? Not just everything goes with blue and green and red, y'know! How 'bout black or white crystals? And how much trouble do you get in with the council, if you use a set of white crystals after Labor Day? Huh? Huh?
Finally, it boggles the mind not only that a seemingly random experience for each Jedi should have exposed such a pattern, but that I'm actually sitting here boggling over it.
I gotta change jobs...
I hear Jabba is hiring dancing girls...my thighs ain't too bad...
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Well, I never thought I would get dragged into such a debate, but it allows me to bring up something that has bugged me from the first Star Wars to SWTPM.
Based on weapon characteristics the way the Light Sabre is used is wrong! You have a slim cone or rod of energy that will penetrate or cut ANYTHING and most things with the slightest touch. It should not be wielded like a samurai sword, but more like a rapier (at least in Light Sabre to Light Sabre combat).
Imagine this scenario. Darth (Maul or Vader) is holding his Light Sabre in a two-handed Kenjutsu like ready stance, gettin ready for the powerful slash that will cut our hero (Luke, Obi, Etc.) in half. Our hero is holding his Light Sabre in a low ready Sabre stance. As Darth charges forward our hero simply lunges in, thrusting thru the torso at the same time sidestepping the downward cut and allowing Darth's own body movement and momentum to enlarge the wound to fatal proportions. If Darth is taking his mighty swing at my Light Sabre to create and opening, rather than spin around and slash back, I simply roll my Light Sabre over the top, bring the point back in line and thrust (I forget the fancy French fencing term for this, but it worked great in my college fencing days)
Based on weapon characteristics the way the Light Sabre is used is wrong! You have a slim cone or rod of energy that will penetrate or cut ANYTHING and most things with the slightest touch. It should not be wielded like a samurai sword, but more like a rapier (at least in Light Sabre to Light Sabre combat).
Imagine this scenario. Darth (Maul or Vader) is holding his Light Sabre in a two-handed Kenjutsu like ready stance, gettin ready for the powerful slash that will cut our hero (Luke, Obi, Etc.) in half. Our hero is holding his Light Sabre in a low ready Sabre stance. As Darth charges forward our hero simply lunges in, thrusting thru the torso at the same time sidestepping the downward cut and allowing Darth's own body movement and momentum to enlarge the wound to fatal proportions. If Darth is taking his mighty swing at my Light Sabre to create and opening, rather than spin around and slash back, I simply roll my Light Sabre over the top, bring the point back in line and thrust (I forget the fancy French fencing term for this, but it worked great in my college fencing days)
I don't know whether to laugh or run in terror. Maybe both, is that possible?
Next time you make it down here, we'll have to meet at the Mucky Duck, which is where I am headed tonight for a Clandestine Concert.
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One adavantage to the lightsabre is that it needs no sheath. Of course, a HALO style sheath made out of something impenetrable might be nice...
As a fixed blade over 4" in length, Excaliber may be hard to legally carry around in many states; indeed, it may be physically hard to carry around in its original sheath (a large rock).
Furthermore, what good is Excaliber if you can't remove it from the rock, as only the rightful owner can. It would be hard to weild the sword with the rock still attached, unless you are Cliff.
Now I am off to hammerforums.com to argue whether Mjolnir is better than concussion-beam emitters...
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As a fixed blade over 4" in length, Excaliber may be hard to legally carry around in many states; indeed, it may be physically hard to carry around in its original sheath (a large rock).
Furthermore, what good is Excaliber if you can't remove it from the rock, as only the rightful owner can. It would be hard to weild the sword with the rock still attached, unless you are Cliff.
Now I am off to hammerforums.com to argue whether Mjolnir is better than concussion-beam emitters...
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"Now I am off to hammerforums.com to argue whether Mjolnir is better than concussion-beam emitters..."
Since Thor, or Donner, means Thunder, and Mjolnir, like Russian molniya, is Lightning, I think you would need a pretty big emitter to beat that weather system.
But it would make a great weapon against a weenie little lightsabre, once you learned to aim it right.
Since Thor, or Donner, means Thunder, and Mjolnir, like Russian molniya, is Lightning, I think you would need a pretty big emitter to beat that weather system.
But it would make a great weapon against a weenie little lightsabre, once you learned to aim it right.
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The lightsabre; when you absolutely, positively have to have the ultimate out-the-front weapon.