"Experts" demand premium blade steels until it comes to prime collectors knives from companies like Loveless and Randall?

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The Meat man said:
Same. I'm kind of shocked by those pictures.

I've always admired Randall, and maybe someday I'll get one. I think I'd rather have O1 than 440B though.
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I'll admit that they do look nice. But I'm a 'beauty is only skin deep' kind of guy.
 
Boattale said:
Edit: Note the blade stamp on the Twindog "Randall" Florida is abbreviated FL. On the real Randall knives below, Florida is abbreviated FLA. The blade stamping is also very different in how crisp the lettering is (or isn't).
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I think it’s a fake too, but Randall did use for a very short time stamps that did not have the “A” 8E0005EF-39EA-41BD-A9B1-063E80850B18.jpg0F1C3601-65EC-4594-81FB-33BAF1EB3279.jpeg
they don’t look like the same stamp to me.
 
Hanne762 said:
Aren't Randalls warranted for life? I know it's just me but these pics made me shudder, mostly because of what one initially costs.
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Thats not a real Randall, or at least its not one that made it through Randall QC and was sold by a real Randall dealer. There is no way a blade that looked like that would be sent out to a customer..... Probably a blade that was defective to begin with that escaped from the factory in a lunchbox and finished in some ones basement or garage....
I've had a Randall Model 1 for more than 20 years now. Its chopped branches, split kindling, cleared shooting lanes etc all things you expect it to do. Its still just fine....although I haven't put it in a vice and bent it, or hit it with a hammer, or smashed it into a huge log and tried to twist it out......destructive testing does just that - destroys things. Any knife would look like that if you abused it enough.
 
eveled said:
I think it’s a fake too, but Randall did use for a very short time stamps that did not have the “A” View attachment 1587568View attachment 1587569
they don’t look like the same stamp to me.
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I can't say it's not a counterfeit. But I did sent good photos to Randall to ask if it looked real. They said it was a dealer issue, and when I said I bought it from a private party, they wouldn't talk to me.

I had looked up the FL vs FLA, but both stamps have been used quite a bit -- something about the Post Office starting to use two-letter designations for states and a contracted stamp maker made the change. Pretty sure that's not proof of it being a fake.

The sheath is high quality and looks legit. It uses the FLA abbreviation.
 
rhino said:
I have to admit that I took the classes for fun a few years after I already has a BS and MS in mechanical engineering, so I was a bit of a "ringer." It was interesting to see topics and concepts I had previously t studied from a different perspective and context. I also got to play with a scanning-tunneling microscope, which I think was fairly new back then (this was about 1992 or 93).

Back on track, I enjoy it when the materials nerds delve into compositions and grain structures and carbide and phases and all of that other stuff that I vaguely recall from my own materials science classes, but sometimes the details are hard for me to follow as well as I would prefer. I probably need to hit the books and rebuild my foundation (I did the same thing repeating a some math courses online recently).

Never stop learning1
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I was an ME undergrad also. One of the support courses with either a p-chem class offered by the chemistry department, or an additional metallurgy class offered by the MatE department. My advisor advised the additional class in metallurgy...
 
pholder said:
according to ?
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Me.

And a whole bunch of knife makers who know a metric ton more than me.

And a couple of steel manufacturing and distribution companies who are in the business of producing the highest quality steel.

And his curriculum vitae.

Are you just being contrary or do you have a basis to question his bona fides in this field?
 
Blues said:
Me.

And a whole bunch of knife makers who know a metric ton more than me.

And a couple of steel manufacturing and distribution companies who are in the business of producing the highest quality steel.

Are you just being contrary or do you have a basis to question his bona fides in this field?
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Is that true or an assumption. Some say the the old 19th cast steel process actually produce a very high grade of cutlery steel. But, it was incapable of meeting industrial demand for steel which was then massively growing in demand for railroads, bridges, structural building steel, shipping, and the like. So the bessemer steel process was adopted, which produce great quantities of steel (but of a lower quality).

n2s
 
not2sharp said:
Is that true or an assumption. Some say the the old 19th cast steel process actually produce a very high grade of cutlery steel. But, it was incapable of meeting industrial demand for steel which was then massively growing in demand for railroads, bridges, structural building steel, shipping, and the like. So the bessemer steel process was adopted, which produce great quantities of steel (but of a lower quality).

n2s
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Tool steels never used the Bessemer process. They used the Huntsman crucible process until that was replaced by electric arc furnace production. Tool steels needed to be higher quality.
 
Stahlmann said:
I was an ME undergrad also. One of the support courses with either a p-chem class offered by the chemistry department, or an additional metallurgy class offered by the MatE department. My advisor advised the additional class in metallurgy...
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We're cousins!

I took a corrosion class as an elective. It was an ME course taught by an ME professor, but it was only required for the Chem Es. I was the only ME in the class!
 
See, Larrin's all class. If I had been called on the carpet in the same way, I might have responded "Bessemer culo".

But I have to uphold standards around here, so I can't make frivolous comments like that. :cool:
 
Even though some super steels retain their edges 10X as long as say 440-C, they do not take nearly 10X as long to sharpen using Diamond abrasives. There might be a free lunch.
 
rhino said:
We're cousins!

I took a corrosion class as an elective. It was an ME course taught by an ME professor, but it was only required for the Chem Es. I was the only ME in the class!
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My undergrad school actually had a metallurgical engineering department that became a materials engineering department. When I took my first metallurgy class as a soph, there was this ancient, retired prof that would come back once a year to teach a class. His initial claim to fame in academia was escaping Nazi Germany intact and then proceeding to translate some German metallurgical texts into English. SMART man with a think Prussian accent...
 
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