Extreme "Hard Use " Folders vs Fixed for same purposes . Pros , Cons , and Personal Preference .

[ferider]

You're being ridiculous.

Now you're moving the goalposts.

When you post pictures of your 4 Max doing this and still functioning, I'll be impressed.

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INFI is cool, isn’t it. I do this quite a bit these days. Easier with a >6” blade though.

Anyways, my opinion for the OP: there is only two reasons folders exist:

1) because they are socially more acceptable
2) because nobody wants to carry two fixed blades

 

[Blues]

Is this dude really saying the 4 max is comparable to a rmd in any variety? LOL

I had the 4max years ago. Probably before he knew what the 4max was lol used on my farm and know the knife well. I sold it on the forum here. So it is verifiable.

You have lost your damn mind King of the Cheese

Come back to reality. I free'd my chainsaw from a large maple tree that pinched my saw, by PRYING WITH A BUSSE SOB.

The 4max would be destroyed. Hands down. No question. The only one here who doesn't understand that is you.

What I wonder is what good you think can come from arguing with some folks? It's simply an exercise in futility...or...you just like to argue for the sake of it.

It would be like me walking down the mountain to the pig farm and trying to convince one of the porkers that reading Animal Farm would enlighten them and set them free. Unlikely, even if some of the pigs exhibit more intelligence than (at least) some of our members.

 

[craytab]

One of the primary advantages of fixed blades over folders that is not often mentioned is the handle. With any folding knife, the handle is almost always a compromise because it has to accommodate the blade when closed and generally it needs to be flat-ish to be pocketable. With fixed blades, you can design and build the handle to provide better comfort and grip for the user.

Exactly what I was about to post. When was the last time you’ve read a thread about someone complaining about hotspots on a fixed blade ?
For me, it’s not about what I’m going to with a knife as far as “hard use” goes, but about the comfort of repeated use and not getting fatigued. That’s where a fixed blade is better than a folder, IMO.

Agreed! For a lot of people who use their knives briefly at any given time, it may be less of an issue, but for sustained use, a fixed blade will almost always win.

Yup, yes, and Yup!

All my favorite fixed blades would take one wonky ass attempt at handle design to replicate a comparable folding version. The handle would be an epic fail. No extended use would be possible and the handle shape would make it a nightmare to pocket.

One thing the hard use folding championer seems to forget, the fixed blade person isn't going around thinking "how can I break this knife in half, fit it in my pocket, and get it to be exactly the same as a folder, as when it was a whole knife?". The folding knife zealot is the one who wants this to happen. You want to go on and on about lock strength but the point is moot for a fixed blade person. We don't give a flying frog fart about your locks! We don't need one. We have a fixed blade!

Thread over

 

[shinyedges]

You're being ridiculous.

Now you're moving the goalposts.

When you post pictures of your 4 Max doing this and still functioning, I'll be impressed.

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And if you are going to attempt this, don't find a straight grained 2×4 either. Find a gnarly twisted grained piece of wood just like that in them picture.

It makes all the difference.

 

[Boru13]

For the win.

Infi or SR101? I've had a custom ship RMD in SR101. Easily top ten knives in that size range. The handle for extended use is phenomenal. I couldn't justify keeping the RMD after getting into CPK. It would just see no use. Lorien designs the most comfortable handles.

INFI

The knife and pictures belong to shinyedges , I shamelessly copied them for challenge purposes

 

[shinyedges]

What I wonder is what good you think can come from arguing with some folks? It's simply an exercise in futility...or...you just like to argue for the sake of it.

It would be like me walking down the mountain to the pig farm and trying to convince one of the porkers that reading Animal Farm would enlighten them and set them free. Unlikely, even if some of the pigs exhibit more intelligence than (at least) some of our members.

You are 100% correct. In this case, I am doing it so future people reading this can see and read and understand that no, folders are NOT comparable.

Foolish ideas and statements need to be shown incorrect if nothing else, for the education of others that are capable of learning lol

 

[Blues]

You are 100% correct. In this case, I am doing it so future people reading this can see and read and understand that no, folders are NOT comparable.

Foolish ideas and statements need to be shown incorrect if nothing else, for the education of others that are capable of learning lol

Ah, a public service announcement.

Well, Boru13 and I will put you in for the highly coveted BF Good Citizenship Award. (When we actually have one.)




(As long as you realize that the mission is hopeless, we applaud your efforts on the part of future generations.)

 

[craytab]

INFI

The knife and pictures belong to shinyedges , I shamelessly copied them for challenge purposes

I thought I recognized those pics!

 

[ferider]

Here is something else:

This is chicken. Who would prefer to clean a folder over a fixed after this ? Of course, if somebody else cooks for you, you might never need to touch a fixed blade .... and some food prep needs a tough knife (or even a smatchet )

 

[shinyedges]

Ah, a public service announcement.

Well, Boru13 and I will put you in for the highly coveted BF Good Citizenship Award. (When we actually have one.)




(As long as you realize that the mission is hopeless, we applaud your efforts on the part of future generations.)

Like an ugly sweater for christmas, it is the thought that counts

 

[King of the Cheese]

Well, it seems the signal flare has gone up since we have rapid-fire remarks from some friends.

Here we go:

Is this dude really saying the 4 max is comparable to a rmd in any variety? LOL

I said that I would put the 4max up against anyone’s fixed blade, and that the DIFFERENCE wouldn’t be so GREAT as many think. I’m not saying the 4max is better than EVERY fixed blade. Reading is fundamental.

I had the 4max years ago. Probably before he knew what the 4max was lol used on my farm and know the knife well. I sold it on the forum here. So it is verifiable.

“Used” it how? Did you try to baton wood with it? If not, how can you objectively compare?

You have lost your damn mind King of the Cheese

I suspect this must be fine. Don’t expect me to retort in similar fashion. That would be a “no-go” at this station.

Come back to reality. I free'd my chainsaw from a large maple tree that pinched my saw, by PRYING WITH A BUSSE SOB.

Good for you. Did you try freeing that chainsaw with a cold steel? If not, how do you know it wouldn’t work?

The 4max would be destroyed. Hands down. No question. The only one here who doesn't understand that is you.

I don’t operate in hypotheticals. If you didn’t destroy the 4max, how can you make that prediction?

And if you are going to attempt this, don't find a straight grained 2×4 either. Find a gnarly twisted grained piece of wood just like that in them picture.

“Find a particular piece of wood before you baton with the 4max because any old piece won’t do”? Now who is moving goalposts.

It makes all the difference.

I’ll bet.

You are 100% correct. In this case, I am doing it so future people reading this can see and read and understand that no, folders are NOT comparable.

Yes, certain folders ARE comparable in abilities. Cold Steel’s demko lock coupled with the thick liners and blades makes for astonishingly strong folders.

Foolish ideas and statements need to be shown incorrect if nothing else, for the education of others that are capable of learning lol

Well I’m still waiting for that… because you haven’t proved anything, outside of a bunch of pics of one of the better fixed blades batoning firewood.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out why no one put a mora or a ka-bar up against the 4maxx, and went right to one of the largest and thickest fixed blades.

 

[craytab]

Here is something else:

This is chicken. Who would prefer to clean a folder over a fixed after this ? Of course, if somebody else cooks for you, you might never need to touch a fixed blade .... and some food prep needs a tough knife (or even a smatchet )

I would! But I'd use my pacific salt 2 in lc2000n. Throw that sumbitch in the dishwasher after and not worry about it. Of course, that is a purpose driven knife that is meant to be used in nasty ways, but also as a knife to cut, so no 3 fat men standing on it please!

What gets lost in these threads is that different knives are built to do different things. All have their compromises. One fan base or another seems to always think theirs is better at a task that another class of knife is already the champion of. Makes no sense to me, given the current argument. I don't want my fixed blade to fold. That is the point of a fixed blade. Oh well. No hurt feels over here.

 

[Monofletch]

Let me get this straight. You are saying you beloved Maxx4 (even the elite version) will outperform a Carothers FK2?

They are similar in size. Your Maxx4 has thicker blade stock and weighs more….
S35vn vs. Delta 3V…

I still say there isn’t a chance in hell. But that is my opinion.

Maybe this thread would be better received if you titled it “What knives will take abuse”

 

[shinyedges]

Well, it seems the signal flare has gone up since we have rapid-fire remarks from some friends.

Here we go:


I said that I would put the 4max up against anyone’s fixed blade, and that the DIFFERENCE wouldn’t be so GREAT as many think. I’m not saying the 4max is better than EVERY fixed blade. Reading is fundamental.



“Used” it how? Did you try to baton wood with it? If not, how can you objectively compare?

I suspect this must be fine. Don’t expect me to retort in similar fashion. That would be a “no-go” at this station.

Good for you. Did you try freeing that chainsaw with a cold steel? If not, how do you know it wouldn’t work?

I don’t operate in hypotheticals. If you didn’t destroy the 4max, how can you make that prediction?

“Find a particular piece of wood before you baton with the 4max because any old piece won’t do”? Now who is moving goalposts.

I’ll bet.

Yes, certain folders ARE comparable in abilities. Cold Steel’s demko lock coupled with the thick liners and blades makes for astonishingly strong folders.

Well I’m still waiting for that… because you haven’t proved anything, outside of a bunch of pics of one of the better fixed blades batoning firewood.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out why no one put a mora or a ka-bar up against the 4maxx, and went right to one of the largest and thickest fixed blades.

1. Anyones fixed blade means literally any fixed blade...duh. Unfortunetly for you, the difference is monumental in this case.

2. Yep, did chopping and very light straight grained splitting with the 4max. It is stout for a folder. It's main problem is it FOLDS.

3. To address the comment on trying to pry my chainsaw free with a folder and you hypothetical comment in one:

Do you need to run a folder over with a d11 dozer on concrete to know the outcome? No.. (well maybe YOU do)

4. Yea twisted gnarly grain structure is an absolute bear to split. Having heated my house exclusively with wood for 8 years, I know a thing or 2 about felling, transporting, splitting and storing wood.

5. A stout folder will always be a folder. It will always have more moving pieces to fail. How much weight does the 4max hang on the handle? 800lbs? How much weight will a rmd hang on the handle? Lol let me guess, because you have not seen it done, you won't believe it?

It is not even close. Not the same planet. The difference is silly.

 

[King of the Cheese]

1. Anyones fixed blade means literally any fixed blade...duh. Unfortunetly for you, the difference is monumental in this case.

2. Yep, did chopping and very light straight grained splitting with the 4max. It is stout for a folder. It's main problem is it FOLDS.

3. To address the comment on trying to pry my chainsaw free with a folder and you hypothetical comment in one:

Do you need to run a folder over with a d11 dozer on concrete to know the outcome? No.. (well maybe YOU do)

4. Yea twisted gnarly grain structure is an absolute bear to split. Having heated my house exclusively with wood for 8 years, I know a thing or 2 about felling, transporting, splitting and storing wood.

5. A stout folder will always be a folder. It will always have more moving pieces to fail. How much weight does the 4max hang on the handle? 800lbs? How much weight will a rmd hang on the handle? Lol let me guess, because you have not seen it done, you won't believe it?

It is not even close. Not the same planet. The difference is silly.

Hang on a second here.. so you’re saying that the 4max isn’t stronger than ANY fixed blade? Interesting.

 

[King of the Cheese]

Let me get this straight. You are saying you beloved Maxx4 (even the elite version) will outperform a Carothers FK2?

They are similar in size. Your Maxx4 has thicker blade stock and weighs more….
S35vn vs. Delta 3V…

I still say there isn’t a chance in hell. But that is my opinion.

Maybe this thread would be better received if you titled it “What knives will take abuse”




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It’s called a 4-max, not a “maxx4”

 

[shinyedges]

Well, it seems the signal flare has gone up since we have rapid-fire remarks from some friends.

Here we go:


I said that I would put the 4max up against anyone’s fixed blade, and that the DIFFERENCE wouldn’t be so GREAT as many think. I’m not saying the 4max is better than EVERY fixed blade. Reading is fundamental.

“Used” it how? Did you try to baton wood with it? If not, how can you objectively compare?

I suspect this must be fine. Don’t expect me to retort in similar fashion. That would be a “no-go” at this station.

Good for you. Did you try freeing that chainsaw with a cold steel? If not, how do you know it wouldn’t work?

I don’t operate in hypotheticals. If you didn’t destroy the 4max, how can you make that prediction?

“Find a particular piece of wood before you baton with the 4max because any old piece won’t do”? Now who is moving goalposts.

I’ll bet.

Yes, certain folders ARE comparable in abilities. Cold Steel’s demko lock coupled with the thick liners and blades makes for astonishingly strong folders.

Well I’m still waiting for that… because you haven’t proved anything, outside of a bunch of pics of one of the better fixed blades batoning firewood.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out why no one put a mora or a ka-bar up against the 4maxx, and went right to one of the largest and thickest fixed blades.

I don't know why you think most mora's are less durable than a 4max. Baton both knives for 5 hours straight and see if the holes on liners that bear the load of the tri ad lock don't begin to become oblong and deform. The shock from being hit repeatedly and hard on the spine with a heavy club or hammer WILL show up somewhere, and likely in those holes or the tang shearing off. Shock and static load are quite different.

I'd take a mora as more durable than a 4max. I have had plenty of them.

 

[shinyedges]

Hang on a second here.. so you’re saying that the 4max isn’t stronger than ANY fixed blade? Interesting.

Funny, that is the only thing you addressed? Not suprised.

The question of CAN or DOES a fixed blade exist that is weaker than a 4max is obvious. Duh.

That isn't the norm. That is the exception.

 

[Monofletch]

Hang on a second here.. so you’re saying that the 4max isn’t stronger than ANY fixed blade? Interesting.

Think about what you are saying…. You are saying a fixed piece (of whatever material) is weaker than 2 pieces of said material joined together with a mechanical, movable joint. It’s not quantum physics…. It’s basic physics

 

[King of the Cheese]

I don't know why you think most mora's are less durable than a 4max. Baton both knives for 5 hours straight and see if the holes on liners that bear the load of the tri ad lock don't begin to become oblong and deform. The shock from being hit repeatedly and hard on the spine with a heavy club or hammer WILL show up somewhere, and likely in those holes or the tang shearing off. Shock and static load are quite different.

I'd take a mora as more durable than a 4max. I have had plenty of them.

It doesn‘t matter if they deform. The 4max will hold its own against tough fixed blades, and it’s stronger than many (rat tail tangs for example).

I don’t know why this turned into a 4max bashing session, the knife is solid and tough. I didn’t disrespect fixed blades or laugh and mock them. Think about it: You’re all here arguing with me about why a fixed blade is stronger than a 4max, and criticizing the 4max. The 4max is stepping into the space of fixed blades and it would beat many of them… and you think just because you find the toughest fixed blade imaginable and it performs better Than the 4max that you’re “winning”?

No. That’s a loss already.