Extreme "Hard Use " Folders vs Fixed for same purposes . Pros , Cons , and Personal Preference .

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Paratrooper06 said:
Pretty sure watching a video of a knife slamming through a pigs skull is real enough. Do you doubt that CS knives are actually cutting through pig carcasses in their marketing videos?
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No.

I have loved watching the Cold Steel videos for many decades. Unless you actually replicate what you see, it is hard to understand what you are actually seeing vs. what is being marketed to you (my previous comments). I am not going to try explaining that any further, as you have already completely dissed my comments related to actual personal experience value vs. second-hand and especially manufacturer marketing.

Years ago Extrema Ratio marketed folders with lock-pin inserts to make the "a fixed blade", but in no way would they truly compete with say a Dobermann IV fixed over a period of time.

I love folders, and tend to carry bigger folders. I also love and carry fixed also on a daily basis and am speaking of my personal experiences.
We all should better attempt to get along vs. be divided.
 
Spey said:
No.

I have loved watching the Cold Steel videos for many decades. Unless you actually replicate what you see, it is hard to understand what you are actually seeing vs. what is being marketed to you (my previous comments). I am not going to try explaining that any further, as you have already completely dissed my comments related to actual personal experience value vs. second-hand and especially manufacturer marketing.

Years ago Extrema Ratio marketed folders with lock-pin inserts to make the "a fixed blade", but in no way would they truly compete with say a Dobermann IV fixed over a period of time.

I love folders, and tend to carry bigger folders. I also love and carry fixed also on a daily basis and am speaking of my personal experiences.
We all should better attempt to get along vs. be divided.
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I could get a good look at a T-Bone by sticking my head up a Bull’s @$$, but I’d rather take the butcher’s word for it.

Meaning, I’m not about to go buy a pig carcass to stab up just to prove a point to you. If you don’t think CS knives are capable, that’s fine, plenty of people think they are highly capable.

If you want to get along better, we can all start by not discounting the strength of tough folding knives in favor of fixed blades. Each have their place in this world.
 
I tried sliding a fixed blade in my pocket and nicked my femoral artery. Somehow it’s Benchmade’s fault.
 
Paratrooper06 said:
I could get a good look at a T-Bone by sticking my head up a Bull’s @$$, but I’d rather take the butcher’s word for it.

Meaning, I’m not about to go buy a pig carcass to stab up just to prove a point to you. If you don’t think CS knives are capable, that’s fine, plenty of people think they are highly capable.

If you want to get along better, we can all start by not discounting the strength of tough folding knives in favor of fixed blades. Each have their place in this world.
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Why such BS here ...?

1) I do not believe you, that you could look at a "T-Bone" from that position.
just sayin', but please let's not argue. If you 'think' you could, I am really ok with that at this point, and am good with your above commented belief.

2) I think CS knives ARE very capable. Additionally, I already answered your earlier question about this (must not read for comprehension much ?).

3) I have not discounted the strength of any knife, simply offered personal commentary as to my experiences.
As I already stated, I love, use, carry both fixed AND folder knives.

EDIT: RE your accusation Post #67 that I was somewhere "discounting the strength of tough folding knives" ...,
I think you may be mistaking your own comment "I don’t need the strength of a fixed blade for the tasks I encounter for EDC." that I just now read whilst perusing some other threads (Post #16).
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/need-some-edumacation.1832214/post-20995152

I am out of this thread, as deceit appears to be in the air ;-)
 
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Paratrooper06 said:
I could get a good look at a T-Bone by sticking my head up a Bull’s @$$, but I’d rather take the butcher’s word for it.
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Did you just quote the movie Tommy Boy?

To the OP…I like to tandem carry a fixed and a folder. Thin folder for slicing and a good fixed for everything else.
 
DocJD said:
This keeps coming up , even though it's been done to death , still seems to be lots of hate and prejudice against folders for this use .
I'd like to hear some, nice and polite , logical discussion to explain WHY ? .
If that's possible here ?
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One of the primary advantages of fixed blades over folders that is not often mentioned is the handle. With any folding knife, the handle is almost always a compromise because it has to accommodate the blade when closed and generally it needs to be flat-ish to be pocketable. With fixed blades, you can design and build the handle to provide better comfort and grip for the user.
 
rhino said:
One of the primary advantages of fixed blades over folders that is not often mentioned is the handle. With any folding knife, the handle is almost always a compromise because it has to accommodate the blade when closed and generally it needs to be flat-ish to be pocketable. With fixed blades, you can design and build the handle to provide better comfort and grip for the user.
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Exactly what I was about to post. When was the last time you’ve read a thread about someone complaining about hotspots on a fixed blade ?
For me, it’s not about what I’m going to with a knife as far as “hard use” goes, but about the comfort of repeated use and not getting fatigued. That’s where a fixed blade is better than a folder, IMO.
 
Ajack60 said:
Exactly what I was about to post. When was the last time you’ve read a thread about someone complaining about hotspots on a fixed blade ?
For me, it’s not about what I’m going to with a knife as far as “hard use” goes, but about the comfort of repeated use and not getting fatigued. That’s where a fixed blade is better than a folder, IMO.
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Agreed! For a lot of people who use their knives briefly at any given time, it may be less of an issue, but for sustained use, a fixed blade will almost always win.
 
Paratrooper06 said:
I think you underestimate the 4max. It is designed to be tougher than many fixed blades.
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I believe I said the very same thing ? :) But there are limits to a practical folder .

The blade steel on most folders , including the 4Max, is not necessarily chosen and HT especially for toughness .

BAK survival choppers ARE purpose built for this use only . Some with custom HT just for that and expensive .

If these fixed blades , some of them semi-custom / custom made , can't beat the 4Max ...something is badly wrong and a lot of people are wasting their $$$$ . :p
 
bdmicarta said:
Hard use is hard to define. Extreme hard use maybe not so hard to define? I would think bushcraft would be pretty extreme hard use. People do some of that with a fixed blade and there are recommendations for how to do it in the safest way. It can be done but wouldn't a fixed blade be stronger meaning more reliable? I think in this situation it isn't so much a matter of breaking the pivot as it is a question of breaking the lock itself.
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Yes ! I agree . :)

Although , with some of the thicker built , metal liner Tri-ad models , I believe the blade might fail before the lock / pivot ? IDK .

I've not seen very many SPOF type tests of lateral / prying force on folders . But , I'd be very interested . :cool:
 
SimplyMinded said:
What kind of hard uses are we talking about?
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"EXTREEEME" ! :eek:

No ...seriously , in the worst case scenario : any kind of emergency / survival type abnormal, panic / desperation, driven abuse you can imagine someone trying to do with a knife . If that's all they got handy .
 
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