Extremely limited in my choice of blades

Jaymz, are you trying to commit suicide? Because to me carrying a legal weapon in a bad neighborhood is the surest way to get killed. Do you thing those thugs you refer to bother about the law? Are you planning to confront them with a slip-joint? Anywhere around the world where there are tough weapons carry laws, it is always the bad guys that have the upper hand, because they do not care about the law in the first place...
 
Fighting with a slip joint is more dangerous than no knife. You are going to swing your knife, hit the spine on something and then cut your knuckles with the force of your swing. Invest in good running shoes instead. They would be more effective in saving you.
 
Tote a dirk and sue the constabulary for racism against Scots when they arrest you. : )
In all seriousness, a Swiss Army Knife would be good. They are pretty much non-threatening- seriously, no-one looks at one as a weapon. They are cheap and would be easy to replace. The Alox ones, while they don't have toothpicks and tweezers, do have very strong backsprings. The leaf-shaped blades are very sharp, and on the Alox, thick and strong. Plus, they have all kinds of nifty tools, and I don't think that even some of the UK ninnies would say that you were packing a deadly weapon- complete with bottle opener.
As stated, the Spyderco slipjoints and more traditional slipjoints would be fine. If you lived more out in the country, I would say to pack a small, traditional "Bird & Trout" style fixed blade, but I don't think that would fly.
Also, as stated, think improvised weapon. A cane, walking stick, or umbrella is a good choice. A stout flashlight (torch) can also be used- the big MagLites as clubs and the little ones, which would be easier to carry, as kubotons/fistloads. It rains a lot in Scotland, I'm thinking, and probably gets dark pretty early as well. A torch would not be out of place.
Pens and pencils have been used many a time for improvised defense.
Also, backpacks, water bottles, keychains, rocks, sticks, CB antennae, chairs, beer bottles, darts, etc...think improvised. You want to fight criminals- think like them.
However, I'm just armchair warrioring here. Probably the best thing you could do would be A. Get in very good physical shape and B. Get some basic training/instruction as to how to use your body as a weapon. Not necessarily advanced martial art training, just some basic training/ instruction. Surely somebody here could recommend some good literature/ videos on this subject.
 
Jaymz, as the UKPK is expensive to your taste, then just buy the cheap but dependable and practical Victorinox Soldier at Heinnie for only 17.95 pounds (and hurry as it's going to be replaced by a bigger locking model). Legal and you won't get in perception problems with it.
Then, should you feel inclined, buy a small pepper spray flask should you come into a situation that requires SD. But first and foremost, simply don't go to neighborhoods that are problematic.
 
Jaymz, as the UKPK is expensive to your taste, then just buy the cheap but dependable and practical Victorinox Soldier at Heinnie for only 17.95 pounds (and hurry as it's going to be replaced by a bigger locking model). Legal and you won't get in perception problems with it.
Then, should you feel inclined, buy a small pepper spray flask should you come into a situation that requires SD. But first and foremost, simply don't go to neighborhoods that are problematic.
 
Jaymz said:
I hope I find a titanium blade, but have only seen one in my searches and it was a blunt pointed, fixed blade. It was also over 3 inches. :grumpy:
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Stick to steel; the reason no one uses titanium is because it makes a rubbish blade material.

Dagon said:
Jaymz, as the UKPK is expensive to your taste, then just buy the cheap but dependable and practical Victorinox Soldier at Heinnie for only 17.95 pounds (and hurry as it's going to be replaced by a bigger locking model). Legal and you won't get in perception problems with it.
Then, should you feel inclined, buy a small pepper spray flask should you come into a situation that requires SD. But first and foremost, simply don't go to neighborhoods that are problematic.
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The Pioneer (same as the Soldier, only with a keyring and cosmetic changes) is available for £12 from another store I like (won't go into detail; advertising and that jazz)

Pepper spray 'guns' are classed as Section 5 firearms, and hold a minimum 5 year prison sentence for possession. Not advised to play around in that area.
 
The Pioneer (same as the Soldier, only with a keyring and cosmetic changes) is available for £12 from another store I like (won't go into detail; advertising and that jazz)
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That's indeed pretty cheap. Is the blade of the Pioneer the same thickness etc? If all the important stuff is the same, then it's good to know in case my soldier is eventually worn out.

Pepper spray 'guns' are classed as Section 5 firearms, and hold a minimum 5 year prison sentence for possession. Not advised to play around in that area.
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Oops. Shows how little I know about UK legislation. Thanks for the correction. And how is it with those electric shock things?
 
That's indeed pretty cheap. Is the blade of the Pioneer the same thickness etc? If all the important stuff is the same, then it's good to know in case my soldier is eventually worn out.
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I think all the Alox models have the thicker/ stiffer blades and springs. If you really want the classic Swiss soldier styling, the Wenger SI will still be available. It even has a lanyard bail.
 
Dagon said:
Oops. Shows how little I know about UK legislation. Thanks for the correction. And how is it with those electric shock things?
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the tazer guns are as far as I know, in the same boat as guns and pepper spray. not sure about the contact versions without the ability to fire the darts, but they are definatley illegal, and certainly (if nothing else) come under that wonderful catch all "offensive weapon" (in british law, there is no real concept of a "defensive weapon" only an offensive one used to defend oneself. unless you are carrying said "offensive weapon" for reasons other than weponary use. as anything you could use to defend yourself can theoreticaly fall under these laws)
 
Dagon said:
That's indeed pretty cheap. Is the blade of the Pioneer the same thickness etc? If all the important stuff is the same, then it's good to know in case my soldier is eventually worn out.



Oops. Shows how little I know about UK legislation. Thanks for the correction. And how is it with those electric shock things?
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Yes, the tools are identical; Victorinox has even used blades from the Soldier model (date stamp on tang) on the Pioneer in the past.

The only differences are the logo (Pioneer has Victorinox shield rather than the 'Swiss shield' on the Soldier), the lack of the year of manufacture on the tang stamp (most of the time), the addition of a keyring (like all other SAKs) and an 'engraving plate' on the rear.

Tazers are also classed as Section 5 firearms, and I believe stun-guns are too, although I'm not 100%; they are banned though... I just can't remember whether they fall under the 'firearms' banner, or the 'offensive weapons' banner.

In short, anything (that the government is aware of) that's sole purpose is to cause harm to another person is banned. Also as stated previously, it's illegal to carry anything with the intention of using it as a weapon. There are no allowances for self-defence.


I need to find myself an American bride and get myself a green card :p
 
A_Blade_Afficionado said:
Fighting with a slip joint is more dangerous than no knife. You are going to swing your knife, hit the spine on something and then cut your knuckles with the force of your swing. Invest in good running shoes instead. They would be more effective in saving you.
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LorenzoL said:
Jaymz, are you trying to commit suicide? Because to me carrying a legal weapon in a bad neighborhood is the surest way to get killed. Do you thing those thugs you refer to bother about the law? Are you planning to confront them with a slip-joint? Anywhere around the world where there are tough weapons carry laws, it is always the bad guys that have the upper hand, because they do not care about the law in the first place...
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Very good points.

I nearly got into some trouble today.

A local football match had just finished, it was an "old firm" match. Rangers v Celtic.

Theres usually trouble in a lot of places after these type of matches.

I was walking home from my sisters, around 20 mins afters game had ended, just as I was rounding the corner with my fiancee, I heard trouble.

Not wanting to walk straight into them all, I walked back the way I came with my girl. A I walked back I noticed the police were driving up the hill in the direction of the trouble, so I proceeded back towards home.

The police were breaking things up as I got there and I was getting some strange looks. One person was asking another who I was.

Whoever said thatI should stay away from the bad neibourhoods... I can't. I live there.

It could have been a completely different situation - what if the police hadn't been on their way and I had decided to walk right into them.

There were three guys and two girls, with more guys in the house all the trouble came from.

Part of me says: "I'm taking someones face with me if I'm getting beat up. Fuck them."

But another part says: "They might eventually overpower you, take the blade from you and kill you."

A swiss army knife ain't gonna cut it. I'm thinking of going for a bigger blade than I first mentioned.

As I said before, I hav no criminal record, so if I get found with something on me, be it sub 3 or around 4 inches, lockable or push, I think the outcome will be the same - confiscated and a slap on the wrists.

I do have a wood carving hobby after all, and the carvings in my house to prove it. Oh and a menmer of a wood carving website. Only on my way to buy some wood officer. :D

My girls dad is thinking of giving me his old Mundial lock knife. I made a thread about it, still no pics though. And I don't know how to tell how hard the steel is.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=629716

I'm going to think about this long and hard though. It's hard to think clearly at this time in the morning though! It's nearly 3am here and this had been the average time I've been on this forum. I'll have a read through at a decent time and soak it all in.

Thanks again for helping a guy out in a sticky situation.:)
 
Spyderco DKPK or UKPK

Both are non-locking sub 3" blade slipjoints.

Edit: nevermind, apparently the OP had his mind made up from the beginning :rolleyes:

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LorenzoL said:
Jaymz, what happened to that slogan: "Glasgow miles better" or something like that?...
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It was "Glasgow's Miles Better". And it was supposed to sound like "Glasgow Smiles Better".

Te only smile I can think they are talking about is a Chelsea smile!

Nah but really- there are some beautiful locations in Glasgow. In fact, I've just moved back to my regular location (which is more on the outskirts of Glasgow) from the city centre. I lived near Glasgow University, which is one of the best uni's in the world.

Now that was a brilliant place, full of life. "The West End" it's known as.

Maybe it's the shock of moving from a prime location to where I am now, that has shocked my system a little. Also my girl came back with me.

I don't want to give my home city a bad name altogether.

I can give a long list of lovely places here, but also has its ghetto's.

You wouldn't visit NY and go to Brownsville, just like you wouldn't go to Glasgow and visit where I live.

Back to blades - I like the finger protection on the UKPK. Still a bit expensive though.
 
Jaymz said:
Aye aye. Nah it won't make me feel like that maggot batman. And you've seen the blades he carries anyway, not much bigger than what I'm looking for.

Listen, I'm not here to argue or anything, but I will get more than snarky if you give me shit advice like that again.
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IF you do not clean up your language around here and quit insulting people you will be getting snarky on another site.

I suggest you hede the warning now.
 
Bastid said:
IF you do not clean up your language around here and quit insulting people you will be getting snarky on another site.

I suggest you hede the warning now.
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No need for threats. I'm less trouble not banned.
 
You are pushing your luck. Insulting anyone around here is a violation we will not tolerate much of. Insulting a moderator for warning you about it is a good way to find out how fast you can get banned.

Put a cork in it, tough guy.
 
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