Extremely limited in my choice of blades

phaserrifle said:
to confirm, fixed blades are illegal for EDC in the UK without "legaly valid reason. you can own them, but not carry them without said reason.




as I understand it, more or less any knife (except autos an balisongs) can theoreticaly be carried, if you have the aforementioned "leagaly valid http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/images/smilies/cool.gifreason" the law as it applies in this case (i.e. public areas, as opposed to the other offence it covers, which is on school grounds) the reasons are: as part of a job (which is also, I believe held to include legitimate sport of hobby), religious grounds (shikism), and as part of national dress (so if you where wearing a kilt, you can carry a skean dugh). self defence is not a legaly valid reason, and if a knife, even when compying with the "non-locking sub 3inch folder" rule, is carried for self defence (and the officer has grounds to believe this) it becomes an offensive weapon.



glasgow? all that can be said about that is it's safer than london.
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And that's not saying much! I have to say though - I was in Bromley On Bow (East London I think) and I felt much safer walking down the street than I have felt in some places here.

Thanks for all that info. I'll maybe have to make up some sort of hobby, like wood carving to back me up if I get searched.
 
Jaymz said:
What other knives are there apart for the spyderco that don't lock and are 3 inches or under? See if I can get some to choose from.
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Maybe the smallest douk-douk. Around 2 1/2" blade, slipjoint with a strong spring. Looks more like something grandpa would carry, rather than a hooligan.

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Jaymz said:
Niiiiice! How much do they cost?
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Not sure what they'd run in the UK, but in North America, probably between $15-$20. Most come in carbon steel (will rust if you don't take care of it) but some are available in stainless if you prefer.
 
C.S. Graves said:
Not sure what they'd run in the UK, but in North America, probably between $15-$20. Most come in carbon steel (will rust if you don't take care of it) but some are available in stainless if you prefer.
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Cool. That's relatively inexpensive.

I'm going to have another shop around, now that I have a little more faith in slip blades. I guess I have to keep away from liner and look into whether fixed blades are more frowned upon than I first thought.

Thanks again guys.

Edit: Not push blade, but the one the spyderco uk knife has.
 
Fixed blades are legal in The UK and quite popular and widely used, but not in the street. Think bushcraft knives in off road environments.

riffraff said:
After reading this thread I must say, good grief. And I thought our laws over here were untenable.

I guessing that with such laws, your city must be the safest around, eh?
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New York City has laws which effectively match what Jaymz faces. I can't find anything but a slipjoint that I could safely carry in NYC, and even that has to be completely concealed. A UKPK clipped to your pocket can get you arrested.

On the other hand, it's pretty safe there. Should be. They must have more police per capita than any place on Earth outside of an actual police state. :rolleyes:
 
Esav Benyamin said:
On the other hand, it's pretty safe there. Should be. They must have more police per capita than any place on Earth outside of an actual police state. :rolleyes:
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nyc has roughly 1 police officer per 100 citizens, iirc.

in contrast, los angeles city has roughly 1 police officer per 1000 citizens. the departments are structured in vastly different ways, however it is difficult to argue with simple numbers.

nypd has integrated the housing, transit, airport, harbor and other previously autonomous agencies in to the nypd.

los angeles, meanwhile, still has separate agencies policing these same areas (except the housing projects). however, even if integrated, nypd still has a much higher ratio of officers to citizens.
 
I remember reading some years ago when NYPD had returned to its highest level of staffing, that we had as many officers as Alexander of Macedon had troops when he went to conquer the Persian empire. :)
 
Esav Benyamin said:
I remember reading some years ago when NYPD had returned to its highest level of staffing, that we had as many officers as Alexander of Macedon had troops when he went to conquer the Persian empire. :)
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i dont know how to feel about that. :foot:

im all for more cops, but eventually we reach a point of diminished returns.
 
phaserrifle said:
to confirm, fixed blades are illegal for EDC in the UK without "legaly valid reason. you can own them, but not carry them without said reason.




as I understand it, more or less any knife (except autos an balisongs) can theoreticaly be carried, if you have the aforementioned "leagaly valid reason" the law as it applies in this case (i.e. public areas, as opposed to the other offence it covers, which is on school grounds) the reasons are: as part of a job (which is also, I believe held to include legitimate sport of hobby), religious grounds (shikism), and as part of national dress (so if you where wearing a kilt, you can carry a skean dugh). self defence is not a legaly valid reason, and if a knife, even when compying with the "non-locking sub 3inch folder" rule, is carried for self defence (and the officer has grounds to believe this) it becomes an offensive weapon.



glasgow? all that can be said about that is it's safer than london.
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STFU whys it got over 3 times the murder rate.
A gang ever corner.
London is poof land.
London is safer than Manchester Liverpool Birmingham Belfast etc.
 
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I would try a nice neck knife. Izula, or something small easy to carry. When I lived in England from 1986 to 1989 you could buy butterfly knives. I wish I still had mine.
 
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To carry a lock knife or fixed blade in public in the UK you have to provide a good reason - and self defense isn't one of them.

I suggest that, within the UK, carrying any knife with the intention of using it for self defense will only see you getting into serious trouble, one way or another.
 
Steven Andrews said:
To carry a lock knife or fixed blade in public in the UK you have to provide a good reason - and self defense isn't one of them.

I suggest that, within the UK, carrying any knife with the intention of using it for self defense will only see you getting into serious trouble, one way or another.
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And another thing that bears mentioning, if you do use a knife, any knife- in the UK for self defense, chances are very good that you'll be arrested and charged. No matter how justified. You're supposed to roll into the fetal postion and take your lumps when attacked in the UK. "Self defense" doesn't play well there- the laws favor the criminals. I love the UK for a lot of reasons (I'm Irish by blood) but I couldn't live there.
 
These_Nutz said:
STFU whys it got over 3 times the murder rate.
A gang ever corner.
London is poof land.
London is safer than Manchester Liverpool Birmingham Belfast etc.
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1) calm down. there is no need to start having a go at me.
2) I wasn't aware that glasgow had a higher murder rate. maybe because most of the news seems to be london based. you don't hear about the crime in glasgow, liverpool or wherever, you hear about it in london.
 
stabman said:
Get a stout walking stick for that.
The UKPK is great as an EDC blade, but a sturdy length of wood will serve you better in a fight than a sub-3 inch, non-locking blade.
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Or get an 8 second can of Bear spray, that's what I carry. Spray first, ask questions later, the effects are easily reversible... as opposed to a knife wound, bullet wound or blunt force trauma.;):thumbup:

+1 on the UKPK BTW.:D
 
GregS said:
Or get an 8 second can of Bear spray, that's what I carry. Spray first, ask questions later, the effects are easily reversible... as opposed to a knife wound, bullet wound or blunt force trauma.;):thumbup:

+1 on the UKPK BTW.:D
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bear spray is more or less the same stuff as mace/pepper spray, am I correct?
If so it's in the same boat as carrying a gun over here. So unless they are an on-duty LEO, it's somewhat outside of our OP's desire to carry something more or less within the law (and I would assume even more difficult to get your hands on than guns, on account of the lower demand, it's comparitive newness, and lack of legitimate examples to steal for black-market sale). If they are an LEO, it worries me their asking this question.
 
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