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davek14 said:
When I said I thought that 34 years was excessive for a patent you accused me of supporting counterfeiting.
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Here is that exchange:

davek14 said:
In Article I, section 8, the U.S. Constitution:

Congress shall have power . . . To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries.

https://www.conservativereview.com/...ent-office-to-blame-for-the-epipen-price-hike

It would be good for the community if many makers could use the Axis Lock now that the intended patent has run it's course. I hope that happens.

BTW: I use allergy drops now and am required to purchase an Epi-Pen yearly. I was on allergy shots just north of 25 years ago and had to buy Epi-Pens then as well. It was around $500 recently with a coupon and around $25 back then.
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craytab said:
It is important to recognize this is a knife forum and not an epi-pen forum. It is also important to read the stance of counterfeits of this forum. Failure to do so is not recommended...
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davek14 said:
So, I was speaking of patents and you "randomly" brought up counterfeiting I suppose in response. And yes, it did feel like a threat sir.
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So where did I accuse you of supporting counterfeiting in that exchange? Don't you think it would be more valuable to deal with what I actually said instead of making things up? And since when is recommending a member get more familiar with the rules a threat?


davek14 said:
Why don't you want to give details on the Axis lock patent? I am truly interested. It would be knife related content and from what I *have* found Googling it all a lot of folks would be interested.
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Why don't you want to get the details of the axis lock yourself? Why do I have to do it for you? This is seriously getting ridiculous.
 
craytab said:
Nope not going over it again. Already did once in this thread. If you care so much read this thread you are posting in. You can have your opinion on the subject and I can think that opinion is wrong :)
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I'm not looking for your opinion on this, as opinions are not relevant when discussing facts. I didn't present MY opinion, I presented facts regarding the discussion.
If you want to make a statement and declare it as truth, you should be able to buttress it with relevant fact.
"Back it up" as they say.

Your opinion all day long may be that a patent was renewed in 2010, but the fact is that a patent cannot and will not be renewed.
The fact is that the patent has expired.
Your opinion has been proven wrong. If you want to continue stating your opinion as if it were fact, and rely on the idea that you "already said it" so it must be true, you are traveling a path of delusion.
 
robgmn said:
I'm not looking for your opinion on this, as opinions are not relevant when discussing facts. I didn't present MY opinion, I presented facts regarding the discussion.
If you want to make a statement and declare it as truth, you should be able to buttress it with relevant fact.
"Back it up" as they say.

Your opinion all day long may be that a patent was renewed in 2010, but the fact is that a patent cannot and will not be renewed.
The fact is that the patent has expired.
Your opinion has been proven wrong. If you want to continue stating your opinion as if it were fact, and rely on the idea that you "already said it" so it must be true, you are traveling a path of delusion.
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Then prove the patent has expired. You can't. I've already gone over this in this thread. Sorry you are late to the game bud but it all happened a while ago.

Without a patent lawyer, a judge, and a case involving the axis lock all you have is your opinion on the subject :thumbup:
 
craytab said:
I can see why you feel that way. Consider changing your position on the subject. The opinion here is quite clear on the subject and likely won't be changing anytime soon.
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The opinion here on what? The Axis Lock patent? That's what I was discussing.

craytab said:
Here is that exchange:

(I ain't a gonna quote it again)

So where did I accuse you of supporting counterfeiting in that exchange?.
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So you do just randomly bring up counterfeiting? Not surprised.


craytab said:
Why don't you want to get the details of the axis lock yourself?
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I actually really have looked. I actually really am curious.

craytab said:
This is seriously getting ridiculous.
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It is.
 
davek14 said:
The opinion here on what? The Axis Lock patent? That's what I was discussing.



So you do just randomly bring up counterfeiting? Not surprised.




I actually really have looked. I actually really am curious.



It is.
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In this part of the forum we don't add things to people's quotes that they did not say.

If you have looked then why are you asking me to share more info? Did you just use google or did you actually go look up the patent with the number BM is currently using? It is posted in this thread and where you should be looking is also posted in this thread. And the reason I brought up counterfeiting is because it is the subject of this thread and I believe ganzo is counterfeiting the axis lock. Not hard to understand.
 
craytab said:
In this part of the forum we don't add things to people's quotes that they did not say.

If you have looked then why are you asking me to share more info? Did you just use google or did you actually go look up the patent with the number BM is currently using? It is posted in this thread and where you should be looking is also posted in this thread. And the reason I brought up counterfeiting is because it is the subject of this thread and I believe ganzo is counterfeiting the axis lock. Not hard to understand.
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I made it quite clear that that was not something you said. I just made it clearer with colored text. It was obviously not an attempt to deceive, but just to shorten the post. Please quit throwing stones.

I said I Googled it. If it is in the thread, please kind sir save me re-reading 9 pages to sort that out and re-post the info. Why is that a problem.

You were answering me when you brought up counterfeiting. I was not discussing counterfeit axis locks. I was discussing the expiration of the patent for the axis lock. You told me to read the stance on counterfeits and that to not do so "is not recommended". You have no idea what I think of counterfeits.
 
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davek14 said:
I made it quite clear that that was not something you said. I just made it clearer with colored text. It was obviously not an attempt to deceive, but just to shorten the post. Please quit throwing stones.

I said I Googled it. If it is in the thread, please kind sir save me re-reading 9 pages to sort that out and re-post the info. Why is that a problem.

You were answering me when you brought up counterfeiting. I was not discussing counterfeit axis locks. I was discussing the expiration of the patent for the axis lock. You told me to read the stance on counterfeits and that to not do so "is not recommended". You have no idea what I think of counterfeits.
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Not looking stuff up for you.
 
davek14 said:
So you do just randomly bring up counterfeiting? Not surprised.
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You're talking to Craytab in a thread specifically about counterfeits, he did not randomly bring it up as it is the main topic in this thread and is therefore relevant to everything posted in this thread.

Your defensiveness is easy to interpret by readers of this thread as more than just trying to clear up confusion.
 
Why do you have such a problem linking to the patent again craytab? Afraid someone might find more ammunition to use against you perhaps?
 
I'm actually shocked the thread has gone this far.
 
Sirryacus said:
I can't find it, a lot of others can't find it that's why we are asking YOU to link to your arcane knowledge.
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Arcane knowledge. Nice. Welp, if you can't figure out how to find info on a patent then that is not really my problem. Not doing your leg work for you. Oh, and what to look for and where has already posted. Another member even posted it. Here's a hint for you: a link to the exact info won't work!
 
craytab said:
Arcane knowledge. Nice. Welp, if you can't figure out how to find info on a patent then that is not really my problem. Not doing your leg work for you. Oh, and what to look for and where has already posted. Another member even posted it. Here's a hint for you: a link to the exact info won't work!
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Do the leg work or stop posting about it's content.
 
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