Just as I suspected, there are many currently manufactured folders that forum members use and like. My original post was questioning the need for ESEE to completely design a new one, and then go through the big hassle of finding a competent company to make it at a decent price. My thinking at the time was why not choose a good model, with some slight modifications and have the ESEE logo put on it. But now that I know that Rowen has experience in making folders, and that Jeff is hell bent on getting his design made, it will be interesting to see how the final product compares with other high quality folders. What, exactly, is unique about the proposed ESEE-3F? I guess I'll have to actually hold one and use it to find out. Jeff, feel free to send me your Italian-made prototype for review.