FIBERMASCUS- Great till you have a problem

When I had the material and the completed knife in my possession I was appalled how the material had turned out.


I was always advised that it would not look the same as Neils Knife as there would be alot of cross section on view which would not show colours.


I've seen laminated cloth scale material, before it was worked, and could tell the visual outcome. If anything, the person you employed to do the work could have easily cut a small sample, work it, and report the outcome to you.

I can empathize with your displeasure, somewhat, but the decision not to proceed with using the Fibermascus should have been made before the knife was completed.

This is akin to hiring a maker to slap a pair of mammoth ivory scales on a knife and then bitch that the scale material is waaaaay too dark. :D
 
That's the link to the page the picture it's on, not to the picture itself. Copy the "IMG Code - Forums & Bulletin Boards" and paste that in here.
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You were advised it wouldn't look the same, it doesn't, so what's the problem? It sounds like your expectations are unreasonable.
 
Can you upload the pic of your knife now?
(to compare)


The above looks like camo burlap fibermascus should.
 
Damn I take a pretty good picture. I remember that knife well,,gorgeous work by Neil Blackwood. :D
 
I think that works and shows you all the album I have made of the knife and the material I was given, I still dont know what I am doing haha. Sorry it took so long my internet went down.
 
I wish ! When you look at the cross section you can barely see the change in colors between green and brown. You seriously need to be under a high powered flourescent light to notice the differences.



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I think you might be looking at a poor finish.

I held my tongue at first...cuz I wanted to see your pic. But now that I've seen it (and no offense to the maker) the finish is not right - nowhere near the finish of the blackwood piece above. That'll make all the difference in the world.

Also, there appears to be very little contouring to the handle...so, you're not going to see as many layers.

Good news: looks like camo burlap to me
Bad news: needs to be refinished

Send it back to the maker (or someone you trust) and have them fine sand it and buff it with a fine compound. :thumbup:
 
Hey Daniel,

I know what you are saying about the finish of the knife it isn't the best. But when you look at the other pictures in my link you can see that the green and the brown is there but extremely dark as if the colours have fused together almost.

Under a high powered fluorescent light they are visible. The colours look way different on the Neil Blackwoods Knife (no offense to you) but I cannot see how a fine sand and compound will make the colours show apart anymore. I could be wrong I dont do this for a living.
 
If you want, sell me a handle's worth of your fibermascus, I'll put it on a knife and try it out to see if I can get a better finish to it. Then, we'll both know for sure. :thumbup:
 
FIRST I would like to say that I have worked with Gary and his product for years, I have never had any problems with him or his exceptional product! Gary is GOOD to Go!!

Second, you have to realize that every piece that Gary makes is going to be a little different. It sounds like he even told you it would be different... I know it was EASIER for you to have it shipped to your maker than to you to be inspected, but one you cut it up and have it on a knife you CAN'T really expect Gary to refund your money! SERIOUSLY..???

Third, what Dan has pointed out really does make a difference! The craftsmanship does make a HUGE difference! That handle has VERY little contour to it so the alternate layers are pretty much wasted! If you over heat a material like canvas micarta while working it, it will turn a brownish color (I don't know if that is what happened here but it is a possibility). Also the final finish on a material WILL affect the way it looks.

You really should have inspected the material prior to using it, now you know. Lesson learned. Me personally I would be more upset with the work done...:barf:


Tom
 
Daniel : What dimensions would you require to make the type of handle you would do ?

Tom : I understand your points and would like to think I am a reasonable man.

To your first statement though, have you ever had a problem with any of his products. The way in which he talked to me and said bluntly he was not doing business with me anymore is out of order. He had absolutely no concern and shut me down completely. You don't do business like this !

To your second & third: This could of been intercepted at manufacture stage. When you look at the cross section below of the material in block form compared to the picture of the Neil Blackwoods Knife it is obvious to me that I would have no where near the same results . The canvas has gone extremely dark and the difference between the two colours is barely noticeable. If he had pride in his work he would of not of shipped this, he would of redone it.

I am pretty fair and willing to give this another maker to try get better results but to me short of a miracle it ain't gonna happen. I sent the picture of Neils knife in my original correspondence to Gary so he knew what I was looking for. His only warning to me prior to making was it would look like a thick laminate. I was fully aware of this.

The knife I have in my hand right now has the different colours shown through on the face but you need a high powered fluorescent light to see them as they are that dark and the burlap cloth is, yes I would say burnt too. The photo I sent him was to me as good as a sample, he failed to reproduce this material and just sent me it anyway.

It is obvious from his reaction just shutting me down, that being I am a one off customer he couldn't care less. In his reaction he just goes on about the days and costs and that is it. Am I supposed to sympathize that he struggled so much ? I would of payed the right price for what I asked for. He should of warned me due to the amount of resin in a large piece it could possibly overheat and look like shit.

All he said was, again it would look more like a laminate and that my piece was from the same bolt of material that was used in Neal's material. More color would be seen in the flat face of the fabric instead of the edge. I have no colour !

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You're looking at the edge of the laminate there, and there's definitely color.

I'll gladly buy a piece off ya (I love Gary's fibermascus) and give it a shot...but it will be on a full tang knife with deep contouring.

I'd need a piece 0.600" thick (looking at the edge) and 1.5" wide....5" long.
 
Sure,
I have a peice here 5" long 1 1/2" wide by 1/2 " thick that is already cut. Would you be interested in that ?

I was never good at percentages but I started with a peice 5x5x1.5 block for $153.
 
5x5x1.5 = 37.5 cuin
$153 comes to aobut $4/cuin


5x1.5x0.5 = 3.75 cuin @ $4/cuin = $15

If that's cool with you and you're willing to ship it Priority Mail, I'll send you $20 including shipping.

Thanks!

Dan


p.s. let's take this offline to not incur any infractions - since you don't have a gold membership. technically, I made the offer...not really a sale...but best not to stir the pot.

email = dan AT kosterknives DOT com
 
Cool. :cool: I hope it works out for both of you, and harrybobble can get the handle finished to show off the material better.
 
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