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More damage than my 44 magnum? I don't think so. The knife will kill by hemorrage only, a big pistol bullet will also have a lot of hydrostatic shock, much more likely to stop the attack. Chris
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More damage than my 44 magnum? I don't think so. The knife will kill by hemorrage only, a big pistol bullet will also have a lot of hydrostatic shock, much more likely to stop the attack. Chris
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I've found that the best way to deal with a large cat is to rub the belly and then play dead
Also be careful out in the woods they can spring from the trees or come out of caves while you are unaware
Also be careful out in the woods they can spring from the trees or come out of caves while you are unaware
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The original caliber mentioned was a .40 S&W. A lot less power than a .44 Mag, but I still think you are underestimating the damage a knife can do at close range. I'd rather have the gun if the cat was a diistance from me, but if the cat is actually on me, I'm thinking the knife might be better.
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I've found that the best way to deal with a large cat is to rub the belly and then play dead
Also be careful out in the woods they can spring from the trees or come out of caves while you are unaware
If I saw that cat , I would run screaming.
not from fear but because i'm allergic to cats !
I was enjoying the debate of dog vs. wild animal.
A wolf vs a bulldog ? Was not that covered in White Fang ? The wolf won if I recall correctly against a Bull Mastiff.
IMO , honestly I do not know which would win , I do tend to agree that a wolf would ( if it had the chance ) scoot off to avoid being wounded , not from fear , but from that aforementioned survival instinct.
My best bud's cousin gave him a 90% wolf pup that grew into one of the best "dogs" i've had the pleasure of knowing. His cousin also raised certified guard dogs , mostly German Shepherds , one was named "nazi" and would easily put the fear of Dog into anyone with common sense , but against a Cougar ?
I think the cat would win every time , I think a big cat intent upon kicking ass would tear a bulldog into shreds , same with any dog.
The dog just does not have the dexterity or the speed.
And this is no disrespect towards any dog or cat.
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Why not hunt coons with just one dog then? try it, see if I am lying.....
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I have many times, all last season as a matter of fact. Chris
I have too- with an 85 pound Catahoula cur. THe first coon he ever caught tore his head up a bit, and after that he learned. They would be dead in a very few seconds. Same with any other animal up to and including coyotes. Believe it or don't, but I saw it happen many many times.
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Horse,
You can't beat a cur dog for an all around hunting dog, I have two Mountain Curs. I used to hunt plotts but I am a solid cur man now. Chris
You can't beat a cur dog for an all around hunting dog, I have two Mountain Curs. I used to hunt plotts but I am a solid cur man now. Chris
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Yes I have, I had a feist that was one of the best squirrel dogs I have ever seen. I like the breed and they are a great pet/tree dogs. They tend to hunt a little close and I prefer a little bit bigger dog though.
Where are you, if you are interested in a mountain cur I can put you in touch with some people with real good blooded dogs. My Rusty is a ball of fire, I don't think I have ever owned a dog with more natural instinct and ability, hell he takes me hunting not the other way around. Chris
Thanks! I am not sure if I am ready for another dog yet though. I was very close to the last one- putting him down was hard.
WOW livly board and I feel I must put in my 2 cents.
1st let me say I do not profess to be an expert just somebody that reads alot
To anwser the main ? at hand what knife? I always carry a large 9-10" fixed blade with me and that would be my vote of what to use.
I will say that I would never consider a krambit for this task nor would a kukri be my first choice either. Reason being these are slicing and choping knives and greatly limit your type of attack the krambit you have to weight until its on top of you (not a good plae to be) and the kukhri is really only good for choping (kuk fans please don't get on my case for daying this yes i know you could stab something with them but its not what they are desinged for and to really sink the tip in you still need to move the balde in an arcing fashion) and while I know that a kuk could lop a limb off think off trying to chop something (& make effective contact) moving at 35mph and thats if you see it coming.
As far as how to defend against a big cat attack lets face it if its a lion or tiger you pretty much have no chance these are animals that crush you with a bat of their paw just from the impact force and can easily fit your head in their mouth and crush your skull just by bitting down (yes the do have the bit pressure capable of this.) With any of the big cats in the americas you might have a chance. Also you it is important to know how a cat attacks it is a stealth hunter it stalks so if it can its going to attack from behind or more preferably to mt lions above. It is important to know that big cats don't really attack or try to kill with their claws they do this with their teeth and very powerful jaws prefeably breaking the neck the claws are so they can hold on to you while the do this any collateral damage done by claws is just a bonus.
For those that say comment on killing the cat after they get it off of their backpack with lines like "it won't be on my back the whole time and then when i get it off me i kill it" no keep it on your back that backpack it the only thing keeping you alive at that point tuck your head and arms in as much as possible and wait for the people your with to try and help you...cause lets face it your smarts are your best suvival tool and going anywhere alone is always stupid. If you are lucky enough to see the cat coming what I would do is be big loud and posture myself and if it goes I'd keep my weapon what ever it may be out and ready until i'm somewhere there are more people than wilderness cause trust me its not gone cats are tenacious hunters. If my postureing doesn't work I'm going to hold out my hiking pole like a pike or extend my arm with blade in hand and get a strong foot stance and just wait for the leap (cause it will leap for the neck that what big cats do that's how they kill.) and hope that I stab it somewhere that does some damage. Now some may say that this wouldn't work cause a cat wouldn't just run into yout knife. Well a cat doesn't know what a knife is & 2nd cats actually have bad depth perception and if you keep your arm pointed directly at them they shouldn't be able to see how far it is extending.
Now all that said I never would want to face big cat with just a knife or a gun for that matter. As others have said you need to make that first shot or two count cause if not you're screw. As far as what I would want with me I would have to say a very large can of pepper spray the kind that they sell for bear attacks. http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/t...ode+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=pepper+spray&noImage=0
Why? a couple of reasons: 1st you don't have to be as accurate as you do with a gun and it still gives you some good range. 2nd if its on your back you don't have to worry about blade length and tyring to stab/hack at it and yes in that proximity you will get yourself too but I think it'll be worth it. 3rd you can carry pepper spray where you can't carry a gun like in many state parks. 4th if this stuff hurts you think how much more sensitive an animals senses are and how much it will hurt them. 5th & last reason for pepperspray I hate people that kill animals for being animals. Yes I know if its life or death I'd prefer the animals death to mine, but if I don't have to kill it why should I.
Now I'm sure this long ranting and raving post will get some hornets buzzing, but I'm hoping that it will also make alot of sense to most everyone.
Cheers
-Ronan
1st let me say I do not profess to be an expert just somebody that reads alot
To anwser the main ? at hand what knife? I always carry a large 9-10" fixed blade with me and that would be my vote of what to use.
I will say that I would never consider a krambit for this task nor would a kukri be my first choice either. Reason being these are slicing and choping knives and greatly limit your type of attack the krambit you have to weight until its on top of you (not a good plae to be) and the kukhri is really only good for choping (kuk fans please don't get on my case for daying this yes i know you could stab something with them but its not what they are desinged for and to really sink the tip in you still need to move the balde in an arcing fashion) and while I know that a kuk could lop a limb off think off trying to chop something (& make effective contact) moving at 35mph and thats if you see it coming.
As far as how to defend against a big cat attack lets face it if its a lion or tiger you pretty much have no chance these are animals that crush you with a bat of their paw just from the impact force and can easily fit your head in their mouth and crush your skull just by bitting down (yes the do have the bit pressure capable of this.) With any of the big cats in the americas you might have a chance. Also you it is important to know how a cat attacks it is a stealth hunter it stalks so if it can its going to attack from behind or more preferably to mt lions above. It is important to know that big cats don't really attack or try to kill with their claws they do this with their teeth and very powerful jaws prefeably breaking the neck the claws are so they can hold on to you while the do this any collateral damage done by claws is just a bonus.
For those that say comment on killing the cat after they get it off of their backpack with lines like "it won't be on my back the whole time and then when i get it off me i kill it" no keep it on your back that backpack it the only thing keeping you alive at that point tuck your head and arms in as much as possible and wait for the people your with to try and help you...cause lets face it your smarts are your best suvival tool and going anywhere alone is always stupid. If you are lucky enough to see the cat coming what I would do is be big loud and posture myself and if it goes I'd keep my weapon what ever it may be out and ready until i'm somewhere there are more people than wilderness cause trust me its not gone cats are tenacious hunters. If my postureing doesn't work I'm going to hold out my hiking pole like a pike or extend my arm with blade in hand and get a strong foot stance and just wait for the leap (cause it will leap for the neck that what big cats do that's how they kill.) and hope that I stab it somewhere that does some damage. Now some may say that this wouldn't work cause a cat wouldn't just run into yout knife. Well a cat doesn't know what a knife is & 2nd cats actually have bad depth perception and if you keep your arm pointed directly at them they shouldn't be able to see how far it is extending.
Now all that said I never would want to face big cat with just a knife or a gun for that matter. As others have said you need to make that first shot or two count cause if not you're screw. As far as what I would want with me I would have to say a very large can of pepper spray the kind that they sell for bear attacks. http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/t...ode+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=pepper+spray&noImage=0
Why? a couple of reasons: 1st you don't have to be as accurate as you do with a gun and it still gives you some good range. 2nd if its on your back you don't have to worry about blade length and tyring to stab/hack at it and yes in that proximity you will get yourself too but I think it'll be worth it. 3rd you can carry pepper spray where you can't carry a gun like in many state parks. 4th if this stuff hurts you think how much more sensitive an animals senses are and how much it will hurt them. 5th & last reason for pepperspray I hate people that kill animals for being animals. Yes I know if its life or death I'd prefer the animals death to mine, but if I don't have to kill it why should I.
Now I'm sure this long ranting and raving post will get some hornets buzzing, but I'm hoping that it will also make alot of sense to most everyone.
Cheers
-Ronan
I know just its length and rambiling was pretty bad and add to that when I rant I loose the ability to properly punctuate and spell. Sorry folks.
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I'm interested in what you have to say, but I got to say I always bypass those run together, unpunctuated posts. Back to English class.....
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I spread it and tweaked it a bit for readability. Hope you don't mind.
Now, about the fifth reason... any critter attacking me does not deserve to live, and I will use the most efficient and possibly lethal means at my disposal to stop it permanently. This includes dogs (big and small), cats (big and small), horses, rhinos elephants and bears. Oh, and people.
Codger
Not at all Codger...its what I should have done as an edit after I saw the death of grammer I posted! And to think I'm a teacher/professor; luckily for my students I teach photography not english.
Cheers
-Ronan