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Whooooaaaaa, what the hell? Lorien has an idea and went with it, we can either join in, help out some other way, cheer or shut up. Which are you going to choose?
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First Annual Pay It Forward Buildoff
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Whooooaaaaa, what the hell? Lorien has an idea and went with it, we can either join in, help out some other way, cheer or shut up. Which are you going to choose?
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I think if he took my comments under advisement for next time, it would be a big help to him.
You just told Lorien you hate all his designs. in post#22
It doesn't get more personal than that & you call me out for suggesting better planning & due dates?
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Will and I have history, and mutual respect and although it might not be evident to you, you can be sure of that. Will is taking part because of this. I think. But you'd have to ask him
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As for planning, I had an idea and I'm running with it. Planning didn't really come into play, but it certainly will be a requirement for next year if this thing is going to be big.
I stated right near the start that as long as I had a couple of guys who wanted to participate, I'd be happy. I'm not overly concerned whether the makers participating are hobbyist or pros, but of course it is a real feather in the cap of this project that professional knife makers are taking part:thumbup:.
As for planning this out for next year, I will likely start it in February or March. I like the idea of it concluding fairly shortly after Blade, as those makers who attend that show are likely quite fired up once they get home and catch up on their sleep. I also like the idea of starting this in the spring.
Blade is also a good place for the makers involved to bring their incomplete buildoff knife to get feedback from other makers taking part, and possibly a great place to pre-sell the knife to a collector who's willing to wait until the project is complete before taking delivery. Or to set up an auction for their buildoff knife in order to generate the bucks they'd like to see go to the cause of their choosing.
You aren't seeing a bunch of poor planning, you are seeing a lack of planning and that is the difference which will make this project successful. I do appreciate your comments, no need for anyone to get excited. Feedback is good, and I can take it. I don't want anyone who wants to give feedback feel unwelcome in giving it.
.As for planning, I had an idea and I'm running with it. Planning didn't really come into play, but it certainly will be a requirement for next year if this thing is going to be big.
I stated right near the start that as long as I had a couple of guys who wanted to participate, I'd be happy. I'm not overly concerned whether the makers participating are hobbyist or pros, but of course it is a real feather in the cap of this project that professional knife makers are taking part:thumbup:.
As for planning this out for next year, I will likely start it in February or March. I like the idea of it concluding fairly shortly after Blade, as those makers who attend that show are likely quite fired up once they get home and catch up on their sleep. I also like the idea of starting this in the spring.
Blade is also a good place for the makers involved to bring their incomplete buildoff knife to get feedback from other makers taking part, and possibly a great place to pre-sell the knife to a collector who's willing to wait until the project is complete before taking delivery. Or to set up an auction for their buildoff knife in order to generate the bucks they'd like to see go to the cause of their choosing.
You aren't seeing a bunch of poor planning, you are seeing a lack of planning and that is the difference which will make this project successful. I do appreciate your comments, no need for anyone to get excited. Feedback is good, and I can take it
. I don't want anyone who wants to give feedback feel unwelcome in giving it.
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Calm down guys. Everything will work out fine.
April 15th for sign-up.
September 1 for the final build-off deadline. (Lorien suggested on post #28 that change - I second that)
Three basic knife designs - if you modify them, it is allowed. (Those who fill out the polls or post comments will let you know what they think.)
Sounds like a plan. Lorien, do I have everything right?
-M
April 15th for sign-up.
September 1 for the final build-off deadline. (Lorien suggested on post #28 that change - I second that)
Three basic knife designs - if you modify them, it is allowed. (Those who fill out the polls or post comments will let you know what they think.)
Sounds like a plan. Lorien, do I have everything right?
-M
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I find the idea of this intriguing, but I have two significant problems with participating. One is that I'm very slow, and would want more time to feel comfortable committing (I HATE making commitments that I'm not 99% sure I can keep.) The other problem, and I realize this wouldn't affect many people, is that I live in Phoenix and we are already hitting 100F temps. Summer is for all intents and purposes my off season for making knives, when it's probably prime time for the majority of the continent.
If you were to do another one in the future and allow enough time and/or advance notice to work around these sorts of limitations, I'd definitely be interested in participating.
If you were to do another one in the future and allow enough time and/or advance notice to work around these sorts of limitations, I'd definitely be interested in participating.
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Lorien knows exactly where I come from when I say I hate his designs... :barf: He's one of my favorite custom knife buyer/collector/patron guys.
He's one of the main men I go to for advice from the other side of the table. Like he said, "we have a history."He's got 2 "pro makers" that are at least considering it, Mike Rader and Nick Wheeler although we alllllll know it'll be about 3 1/2 years before Nick actually finishes forging the blade.
I just hope that Nick wears clothes instead of a speedo when he posts pictures :barf:
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Well what in the hell are we going to do with all the collectors making knives sheesh!
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Hey, selling knives to buy tools is not allowed here!! Isn't there a law against that? Collectors becoming makers is a bad thing... very bad
Anyway, I've never thought of myself as a "pro maker"... suppose I am though. I am definitely making the boot-knife for this thing. And, sheesh, guys lay off Nick about his time-line. Nick makes some of the cleanest knives in the world. Period. Many of you don't realize that isn't really something you can dish out for ten hours a day six days a week. If you wake up one day and it's not there, you can't force it. We are really fueled by inspiration and Nick's relentless pursuit for perfection probably takes a lot more out of him than many of you realize. (Just my opinion here.)
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Anyway, I've never thought of myself as a "pro maker"... suppose I am though. I am definitely making the boot-knife for this thing. And, sheesh, guys lay off Nick about his time-line. Nick makes some of the cleanest knives in the world. Period. Many of you don't realize that isn't really something you can dish out for ten hours a day six days a week. If you wake up one day and it's not there, you can't force it. We are really fueled by inspiration and Nick's relentless pursuit for perfection probably takes a lot more out of him than many of you realize. (Just my opinion here.)
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Cool idea. A build-off is supposed to have due dates and time constraints as they add a little preasure to finish the project. I've never made a knife but this is just what I need to get me going! I'm in. PM on the way.
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Mike, my dig at Nick is the same as making :barf: faces at Lorien's designs.....
I am rather worried about the trend of buyers becoming makers..... I was too poor to be a buyer so I HAD to become a maker.
I am rather worried about the trend of buyers becoming makers..... I was too poor to be a buyer so I HAD to become a maker.
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Well Will, you don't own poverty. I am much too poor to be a buyer too. You're the one who labelled me "collector". My "collection" at it's peak was probably about 4-5 mid-level knives. I just kept rotating them to get to see new things. Geez... if this weren't for a good cause, this kind of "welcome" would preclude me from wanting to participate.
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I am so glad to hear you saying this Michael. I was wondering if I was the only one feeling like this. Inspiration is not always there and the pursuit of perfection is the most time consuming, frustrating and draining part of the knifemaking process. Not that I am comparing myself to you or Nick of course.
But I do feel like that.
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ok ok you guys. This thread is not about Nick Wheeler!
I'm sorry I made fun of Nick, it just seems the norm around here and I bought into the herd thing. Never again!
For the record, not only are Nick's knives some of the best out there, Nick is one of the best guys out there. I love him like a brother. There, I said it. Now let's give Nick the same level of encouragement that he puts out there, no more jokes about his knife making speed. Not in this thread.
And more importantly, let's stay focused on the project I don't want to have to call on Stacy to keep the peace.
At this time, we now have 11 participants! They come from BC Canada, Louisiana, Utah, Maine, Alabama, Washington, Texas and Florida! Sorry if I missed any. As far as paying it forward, imagine if we had at least one maker from each state and one from each province, one from each county...there's a lot of positivity that will find its way into the world through you guys. That's why we're doing this, don't forget!
I'm sorry I made fun of Nick, it just seems the norm around here and I bought into the herd thing. Never again!
For the record, not only are Nick's knives some of the best out there, Nick is one of the best guys out there. I love him like a brother. There, I said it. Now let's give Nick the same level of encouragement that he puts out there, no more jokes about his knife making speed. Not in this thread.
And more importantly, let's stay focused on the project I don't want to have to call on Stacy to keep the peace.
At this time, we now have 11 participants! They come from BC Canada, Louisiana, Utah, Maine, Alabama, Washington, Texas and Florida! Sorry if I missed any. As far as paying it forward, imagine if we had at least one maker from each state and one from each province, one from each county...there's a lot of positivity that will find its way into the world through you guys. That's why we're doing this, don't forget!
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I've been asked about sheaths, and here is what I said in a pm to a participant;
The sheath is completely up to you, if you wanna have someone make it go ahead. I hope that everyone makes a sheath, (or has one made) for their knife, seein as they're all fixed blades! Hard to carry otherwise... : ) I mean, personally, I'd love to see these knives as being sole authorship including the sheath, especially if makers are trying something new or maybe something they don't like doing. That there's a benefit at the end of this makes it all the more worthwhile to maybe learn something new, but it's totally your call how you'd like to approach this.
Now, when it comes to sole authorship, I should say that this really doesn't matter ultimately. Whether you are buying steel premade, recycling materials, subcontracting your heat treating, water jet cutting or whatever there will always be a degree of others' efforts in your work. How much you have is up to you for this project, no one is here to judge that aspect.
Remember, we are following guidelines only, not rules. Therefore, there are no rules to break.
Anything that adds to the cost of your knife is ultimately going to have to be deducted from whatever you get out of the knife, should you sell it. Unless you want to call those costs an additional donation made by you. Personally, I think your effort should suffice and that you should cover your costs. It has been pointed out that making knives is generally not lucrative, and many of us are in the same boat when it comes to making ends meet. I don't want anyone to resent this project because it put them too far out financially.
I had an idea as well, when Michael suggested the idea of an auction. If a group of makers who share an interest in supporting a particular cause, want to get together and auction off their knives or otherwise pool their profits in order to make a large financial impact then I say go at er!
A fun aspect of this project for makers will be to decide how their effort will benefit someone else, partly because the decision does not have to be made until the knives are complete. I still haven't decided myself, and I'm looking forward to keeping my ear to the ground over the next few months to determine where my effort can bring about a benefit for someone else.
The sheath is completely up to you, if you wanna have someone make it go ahead. I hope that everyone makes a sheath, (or has one made) for their knife, seein as they're all fixed blades! Hard to carry otherwise... : ) I mean, personally, I'd love to see these knives as being sole authorship including the sheath, especially if makers are trying something new or maybe something they don't like doing. That there's a benefit at the end of this makes it all the more worthwhile to maybe learn something new, but it's totally your call how you'd like to approach this.
Now, when it comes to sole authorship, I should say that this really doesn't matter ultimately. Whether you are buying steel premade, recycling materials, subcontracting your heat treating, water jet cutting or whatever there will always be a degree of others' efforts in your work. How much you have is up to you for this project, no one is here to judge that aspect.
Remember, we are following guidelines only, not rules. Therefore, there are no rules to break.
Anything that adds to the cost of your knife is ultimately going to have to be deducted from whatever you get out of the knife, should you sell it. Unless you want to call those costs an additional donation made by you. Personally, I think your effort should suffice and that you should cover your costs. It has been pointed out that making knives is generally not lucrative, and many of us are in the same boat when it comes to making ends meet. I don't want anyone to resent this project because it put them too far out financially.
I had an idea as well, when Michael suggested the idea of an auction. If a group of makers who share an interest in supporting a particular cause, want to get together and auction off their knives or otherwise pool their profits in order to make a large financial impact then I say go at er!
A fun aspect of this project for makers will be to decide how their effort will benefit someone else, partly because the decision does not have to be made until the knives are complete. I still haven't decided myself, and I'm looking forward to keeping my ear to the ground over the next few months to determine where my effort can bring about a benefit for someone else.
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Thanks Lorien. I'm not really sure why, but I'm kind of excited about this little project. I'm still thinking of ideas on how to enhance the promotion of this thing...
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Lorien, keeping your ear to the ground is a good way to get your head squashed
Mike and all ya'll, I haven't been on in a long time.... most people that know me know I have a rather smart a@@'d sense of humor. I tease the people I'm comfortable with, apologies in advance and shoot me a message or tell me publicly if I offend, I'm always willing to apologize when I offend. Shoulda been in the shop with me, Charlie and Matt yesterday.... lotta smara@@ remarks and teasing filling the building.
Mike and all ya'll, I haven't been on in a long time.... most people that know me know I have a rather smart a@@'d sense of humor. I tease the people I'm comfortable with, apologies in advance and shoot me a message or tell me publicly if I offend, I'm always willing to apologize when I offend. Shoulda been in the shop with me, Charlie and Matt yesterday.... lotta smara@@ remarks and teasing filling the building.