First gun help

going to get the tan anodize

is there a after market barrel that could increase rage and accuracy?

Range is dependent on the bullet. I would shoot 75g or 77g if you want long range. There's a youtube video (can't link, no youtube at work) of a guy shooting an 11.5" with a 1-4x optic and ringing steel at 600yds. I would reload to mimick mk262
I would not go anywhere near a DPMS barrel if I were looking to shoot groups. I would probably not start with a 6920 either but YMMV.
I would look at a Noveske, Rainier Match, Lilja, Wilson, maybe a BCM or DD if I were shooting groups at long range - not over 18" or 20" though.
You will need a good optic, Vortex Viper at the minimum IMHO in a solid mount (think LaRue). A Geissele SSA-E trigger would be a must in my book.

No questions asked, a free float rail or tube is an absolute must for shooting groups.
 
On the flip side, sometimes nameless faceless internet guys are subject matter experts or BTDT types and the guys behind the gun counter are:
A) hired because they're people pleasers and get the store good customer survey points and don't really know more than what's on the manufacturer's tag, or
B) minimum wage great-grandpas that use their gun store job as an opportunity for human interaction, or
C) will push whatever brand they have in stock or whatever brand they get the biggest commission on.

I don't give a shit what you buy, but I'll damn sure tell you that DPMS is not in the same arena as Colt.
I don't want to paint with a broad stroke, but you seem to be.

There you go, some of this, (most) I actually agree with.

Yes DPMS sucks.
As far as a "broad brush" if in fact a person is a BTDT type, he probably would know a post wasn't necessarily about him personally or not even care.
 
I don't know where you are in Jersey or who you actually are but heres my advice for what it's worth.

Go someplace where you can actually look someone in the eye and ask questions and try something out instead of taking advice on a forum from a bunch of faceless posters.

Some of the advice in this thread I actually agree with, BUT as far as I can tell a lot of it has been gleaned from magazine and internet articles and gun forums.

Good luck with what ever you decide to do.

I live in PA now and I have a fantastic gun store right down the road from me. I've been in there asked a few questions just came on here to for a few questions

brad I really want a Daniel defense ddm4 but I'm not sure it's in my budget
 
I live in PA now and I have a fantastic gun store right down the road from me. I've been in there asked a few questions just came on here to for a few questions

brad I really want a Daniel defense ddm4 but I'm not sure it's in my budget

That's one of the best thing about ARs. Buy parts every paycheck and build as you go. It's enjoyable, you gain an intimate knowledge of the platform and you have some pride in knowing you assembled it yourself.
I've got a 11.5" BCM barrel waiting for an upper right now. :(
 
I don't know where you are in Jersey or who you actually are but heres my advice for what it's worth.

Go someplace where you can actually look someone in the eye and ask questions and try something out instead of taking advice on a forum from a bunch of faceless posters.

Some of the advice in this thread I actually agree with, BUT as far as I can tell a lot of it has been gleaned from magazine and internet articles and gun forums.

Good luck with what ever you decide to do.

Most gun shop employees aren't very knowledgeable about what they're selling (at least not relative to the subject matter experts that are out there). They want to sell you the products they have. It is a good idea to handle the guns yourself in person, but going into a gun shop without any idea of what you're wanting and expecting the people that are there to fill in the blanks is a horrible idea. A face doesn't make joe blow at the gun counter any more knowledgeable. The gun shop arms expert brought you favorites like "The Pump Shotgun will scare away criminals", "If you only have $300 let me sell you this Hi-Point" and "These bullets have plastic in them to help them expand". On the other hand, most firearms experts are active online, and most research is published and discussed online - more than just about any other subject except technology. The most helpful gun store owners spend a lot of time online keeping up with the latest products and reviews. Discounting the peer reviewed and extensive firearms resources available online is absurd - especially considering that if the alternative you offered is worth their salt, they will be getting a large wealth of their information from the same sources.


The only reason I linked to any articles at all was to cite an additional source (he did come online seeking an online source after all). I have tested most commercially available rounds for the calibers I buy in ballistics gel, and have shot more ammo this year than most people will in their entire life. Out of the hundreds of people I have met at gun stores, ranges, classes, etc., I would only consider 10% to have a basic understanding of these subjects, but there were many that considered themselves experts but were ultimately blowhards. Most of the data I have provided is independently verifiable. If you have a matter of contention about the speed of a projectile, or the effectiveness of one of the rounds, make your case. Otherwise, drop the ad hominem crap - this is a thread where the OP is seeking specific information regarding firearms, and he lucked out and found a few people with deep experience regarding the weapon systems he's interested in that are willing to answer his questions.


I have learned a lot about the physics and science behind everything from a few specific authorities on gun forums, but it isn't the same as people arguing over griptillians or PM2s on Blade Forums - if you present data on ammunition on a reputable gun forum, you better have proof to back it up. Any information that isn't backed up by real world tests is usually taken from authoritative research or ballistics calculators. Not saying the information on a source like Blade Forums isn't deep or accurate (we all know that's not the case), firearms groups are larger though and have more individuals crowdsourcing both research and review. Not every single thing is going to be canon, and it's up to OP to check and test and information that he feels needs a redundant answer. I wouldn't put my personal knowledge up against a reputable firearms forum, even though I've contributed heavily to some and have more experience than the majority of posters on most forums dedicated to the specific subjects I am interested in. Crowdsourcing that kind of information just works well, which is one reason I suspect people come here for knife information. I'd take 100 experts and 19,900 enthusiasts over 1 person hired to stand at a counter any day.
 
moved some funds around and selling a friend a customized BHK bushcrafter to free up a little over $500 to add to my gun cash just going to get a Daneil using their build your own DDM4 service

found out it would take a while for my gun shop to custom order the 6920 earth anodized
 
brad when I say looks I don't mean it as a visual thing . I'm not a form over function guy and never will be.

by looks I mean I like what it offers and can see how it will be an asset.

on the matter of over penetration I don't care because I'm just going to buy pre fragmented or frangible ammo for HD/SD I don't even know why that's an argument . most likely pre fragmented though I've heard frangible could be dangerous to shoot and the shells may not eject

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php/cName/rifle-ammo-223-556

Cz and cajun gun works..look no further!
 
moved some funds around and selling a friend a customized BHK bushcrafter to free up a little over $500 to add to my gun cash just going to get a Daneil using their build your own DDM4 service

found out it would take a while for my gun shop to custom order the 6920 earth anodized

Was not recommending you go to a gun shop at all. It was more of a reputable trainer, reputable training school, scheduled course, or even a 3/three gun match at one of the larger matches.

See what Lamb, Vickers, Gomez, or Cooley are using. In western PA there is a range that regularly hosts NRALE carbine courses, go see what some of the people are shooting and what will get through a 2, 3 or 5 day course and still function after 1k-3k rounds in a few days.

Although you cant go wrong with a Colt, or a Daniel Defense AR.

Wasn't trying to piss anyone off, just gave my opinion after reading the entire thread and if that did, oh well.

Good luck with what ever you get.
 
I'm not angry or pissed. and that's actually a good idea you had . I wanted a DD from the get go but was worried about funds

but in the end I can just design my own DDM4 for a little less than buying and customizing a colt
 
Sig P220 is a great gun but it is on the large side for concealed carry especially if you have never conceal carried before. Glocks are excellent as well. I carry a Glock 19 which has over 3000 rounds through it with zero issues.
 
mrbladedude: I believe you but keep in mind I'm 6'4. and for concealed carry I think I might get a 357 revolver I saw a smith and Wesson 340PD looked like a pretty good CC gun

but that is down the line. I'm getting the DDM4 for now and maybe in a year a pistol
 
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BradPierson, beat me to it with an equisite treatise and follow-up on how the .223 carbine in the home has long trumped the shottie.
 
victor I'm getting hornady zombie max ammo ( just repackaged vmax with a green tip ) and some pre-fragmented

is it worth $130 to get the surefire mag 60?
 
IMHO, you'd be better off spending far less on two Pmags, and their connector.
I wouldn't want to be the one to use 'Zombie'-marked ANYthing, gun nor ammo....
Just one last straw for a prosecutor to grasp for, Lord-forbid you were ever forced to shoot.
 
Most gun shop employees aren't very knowledgeable about what they're selling (at least not relative to the subject matter experts that are out there). They want to sell you the products they have. It is a good idea to handle the guns yourself in person, but going into a gun shop without any idea of what you're wanting and expecting the people that are there to fill in the blanks is a horrible idea. A face doesn't make joe blow at the gun counter any more knowledgeable. The gun shop arms expert brought you favorites like "The Pump Shotgun will scare away criminals", "If you only have $300 let me sell you this Hi-Point" and "These bullets have plastic in them to help them expand". On the other hand, most firearms experts are active online, and most research is published and discussed online - more than just about any other subject except technology. The most helpful gun store owners spend a lot of time online keeping up with the latest products and reviews. Discounting the peer reviewed and extensive firearms resources available online is absurd - especially considering that if the alternative you offered is worth their salt, they will be getting a large wealth of their information from the same sources.

That being said, there are a lot of customers who don't know anything about firearms or you get a lot of the old timers who've been around guns all their lives so it makes them an expert. Until you start throwing fancy terms at them like receiver, action, disconnecter, sear, etc. then they give you a loot like you're speaking spanish :)

True, a lot of employees do it as a job and pick up some product knowledge as they go but a lot don't have a clue. This is excluding "gun stores" like Gander Mountain, Dicks, Wal Mart, or any other Tom, Dick, and Harry mega chain store with a FFL, they're kind of jokes. But, there are stores where employees know something, small mom and pop stores that have been around decades. People who work at a store to fund their hobby/passion/addiction. Yes, there is going to be some BS said because of personal preference or "tradition" (like employees or customers saying revolvers don't jam or break, hahaha); but it's not like everyone on the internet posts correct information either.

For the record, I don't really care for Hornady ammo with the plastic tip of death. Personally I like Gold Dots or Winchester PDX but a lot of hollow point decisions come from brand preference, price, and whether you like the shape of the bullet or not. I wouldn't care to get shot with any of them personally though.

is it worth $130 to get the surefire mag 60?

I used to retail those mags for $100 before Surefire jumped cost on them last year after the run. If you want a super high cap mag that doesn't weigh a ton, I'd say go for it. I've shot a little over a 1000 rounds through mine just to make sure it would work right and it has, never had a single issue out of it. The 100 rounders AFAIK are still having a little issues and I think they stick out too much, but it sure beats the weight of a drum mag.

So I'd say yes, it's worth it, but I'd buy one after you have your rifle set up like you like and as a "luxury" accessory
 
Surefire 60s have a spotty reputation. I'd take a pmag 40 over them any day.
YMMV

and FWIW, they were $89 last July before our mag ban set in.
 
for now I am going to keep with the pmag. I'm also looking at grips . I'm thinking a larue tactical APEG as it looks ergonomic .

the real wait is saving up for a DMR-16
 
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