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Is there supposed to be a question mark?
Hell yes

Suppressors are fun and it's one more way to tell liberals to get bent.

Those are of course above and beyond the actual practical application. That being said, even .22 suppressors aren't alawys hearing safe and a .22 can or a SDN6 on a .300blk are the only things I would consider "hollywood quiet". Movies really exagerate suppressors
 
I'm not thinking Hollywood quiet. I'm just thinking it would be quieted down enough to not destroy my ears if I fired in home defense capacity
 
Not sure if this has been beaten to death, too much to read but the best advice in buying a gun I have ever received was to buy the gun YOU shoot well. So go shooting with some friends and see what feels right and you shoot well and that's a good starting point cause if you can't hit anything with it and it's a $1200 gun, well to you it's a $1200 paper weight.
 
CZ 75b or Duty.
Sorted.

Send it over to Cajun Gunworks and have them drop in the kit. Personally I would get a 9mm just because of accessibility to ammo.
 
i thought about it heavily but would a full size DE in 44. be practical

i dont want to go with a 1911 because i hear they can be a pain in the ass
I bought a Wiley Clapp Talo edition Ruger GP100 Last year for my woods/home defense gun. I'm 6'2", and the recoil is snappy for smaller people, but its my favorite dual purpose gun. You can find em on gunbroker.com for about $750 new. Not home to send pics but here is a couple links.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=401855488

Also have an EAA Witness Elite Match in 10mm. It's my second favorite home defense/woods gun. 10mm out of a 5" barrel isnt too bad. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=400676989
My gf has a Springfield XD Compact in .40. Too small for me, but we have had zero trouble with it.

I should have been clearer. When I say woods/homedefense, means i bought it to carry in woods,but told the girlfriend it was for home defense :)
 
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People used to recommend that you test handguns for natural POI. Pick out a target at chest-eye level on a wall about 5 yards away, grip your handgun with the appropriate and technically correct 2 handed grip, close your eyes, pull the weapon up into an aimed position. Open your eyes and assess how close you are to aiming at the target, and how level you are holding the weapon. If you always pull a gun up and it's canted down, you will have a much harder time getting used to it during rapid fire drills than a gun that locks into place every time for you. Some handguns will fit certain individuals better than others, but you can train yourself to develop a feel for just about anything.

Revolvers are plenty good enough for home defense, but a quality semi-auto handgun with a 15+ round mag is going to be the better weapon in a home defense situation and it's going to be easier to train for.

An SBR is an order of magnitude better for home defense than either though. Only in very close quarters would a handgun be a better weapons system, and less for maneuvering and more for the shock firing a rifle in a confined bathroom makes. A rifle round will stop someone dead in their tracks, a lot of people get shot with a handgun round and run around for 3 minutes afterward - you also have a system that allows for more accuracy and quicker target acquisition when it's outfitted properly. It's more stable, and you have much better weapon retention. I wouldn't worry about shooting through 4 walls and killing the neighbors, but if you are there is ammunition to ease your fears. An SBR is head and shoulders above everything else, and even though a Shotgun is an effective weapon, putting it at the top of the list of home defense weapons makes me question your knowledge, experience, or thought processes. It offers all of the negatives and loses many of the positives of a full sized AR. Joe Biden doesn't agree, but 90% of the trained shooting community does.
 
" An SBR is head and shoulders above everything else, and even though a Shotgun is an effective weapon, putting it at the top of the list of home defense weapons makes me question your knowledge, experience, or thought processes."
I must disagree. Overpenetration of walls make rigles of any length an extra lawsuit waiting to happen after you get outta court for killing/maiming a poor defenseless crimimal for doing his job. Damage to your neighbours house, car, boat etc. is a liability nightmare. Same reason that I don't use handguns for home defense...we have neighbours on 3 sides less than twenty feet from our walls. A pistol grip Mossberg Cruiser is my home defense medicine, loaded with #7 1/2 birdshot.
Barricade yourself and kids in a bedroom, call 911 and wait for the cops with Mr Shotty pointed at the door. It's tantamount to suicide to go looking for a possibly armed intruder when you need to know EXACTLY where your wife and kids are.
My primary home defense weapon is a 2.5 million candlepower spotlight. Blinds anyone for about 30 seconds, even in a lighted room. A flashlight tells the bad guy exactly where you are...behind the light. Blinded, he doesnt care.
IMO, a SBR would be great if you lived alone in the country, and didn't like the paint on your pickup.
Not tryin to flame or troll you, A Justice, just disagree politely.
 
If we are talking "best home defense" gun, bar none hands down I'm putting my life on a short barreled shotgun. Maneuverability, lack of over penetration (safety for the kids and neighbors) and hard to miss at 5feet.
 
Have a sig p229. Really nice everything just feels great and action is very smooth but selling it and getting another glock. Had two xdm's also but didn't care for the back safety on them.Also great though. Other pistols I'd like to get is FNH FNS(will get one when they make a .45 version), M&P Pro (again when they make it in 45),Walther PPQ, CZ 97. If I could only have one though it would be Glock.
 
on order of shotgun what about the dominion arms grizzly 8.5 mag fed. I intend to get this eventually as its not very expensive

[video=youtube_share;zMTX1XEK99k]http://youtu.be/zMTX1XEK99k[/video]
 
anybody here have experience with grip pod or mako tpod fore grips with built in bipods

I have a T-Pod, and it's a mess. I mean, the concept is solid, but the execution is not. Deployment of the "legs" is inconsistent, the foregrip itself has just enough side-to-side wiggle to throw off accuracy, and frankly it just fails to come close to offering the benefits of a dedicated foregrip or bipod. A co-worker bought one after I'd already given up on mine, and had the exact same experience. I've actually become a firm believer in the Magpul AFG as opposed to a traditional foregrip anyway, and depending on available rail space, you could combine that with a bipod.
 
I find birdshot in all my downed game, that tells me its poor penitration on little things, it would do little big things in winter clothes.
buckshot will penitrate and flings 12+ pellets. Thats 12+ peices of liability. Loud and lots of recoil . Visualy intimidateing ,Pump or semi with something over 3 rounds a must. At close range shot pattern is like shooting a rifle. Cycling can be compromised in a confined area, pumping the foregrip or the charging handle catches on something.
5.56 similar penitration to 12ga buckshot, but only 1 peice of liability . loud but low recoil, high round count . longer range more presision. can mount a supressor. Magazine makes low prone a sideways game. And the rifle is viewd by general public as a bad thing, may or may not matter in a civil suit that the criminals famly files.
 
PA has the castle doctrine. if they are in my house illegally and I feel my life is in danger I can use deadly force no matter what that PoS and his garbage family thinks.

from wikipedia: The most recent version of Pennsylvania’s Castle Doctrine legislation was signed into law in June 2011. The law extends the right to self-defense up to and including deadly force in a victim’s dwelling (now including any attached porch, deck or patio), occupied vehicle, or any other dwelling or vehicle that the victim legally occupies. A place of work is included in the "castle" provision under certain circumstances. Use of deadly force is justifiable if the "castle" area in the event that an assailant is "unlawfully and forcefully entering" or has entered the "castle" area. Deadly force is also justifiable, subject to certain provisions, if a person that legally enters the "castle" goes on to unlawfully attack a victim (when the victim is resonably in fear of his/her life) or if the attacker attempts to kidnap anyone who legally occupies the "castle". The victim must be in "legal possession" of a firearm or other weapon to be justified in the use of that weapon. Use of deadly force to protect an innocent third person is generally allowed in circumstances where the provisions for justifiable self-defense are met. Victims who justifiably use force to defend themselves under the provisions of the law are immune from civil liability for any injuries sustained by the attacker during the incident. The new legislation also contains a stand you ground provision when outside of the "castle". Outside of "castle areas" there is no duty to retreat if confronted with a weapon.
 
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So it's pretty obvious that Justice (and kinda qhunter) is the only person on page 5 that understands modern ballistics and isn't just parroting the same shit they've heard in gun shops over the last half century.

How loud do I have to be?

MODERN 5.56 WILL PENETRATE LESS SHEETS OF DRYWALL THAN 00BUCK AND 9MM. This is one reason that LE entry teams switched to 5.56 carbines.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14.htm

the fact that people openly admit to still using birdshot as a HD tool in 2014 blows my mind. I'm truly speechless at this point.

QhunterAZ has part of it right - Soldiers have no issue going prone, neither should you. If it's a good shoot, the public will never have a say and in CO at least, a criminal trial is a pre-req for a civil suit in a HD shooting.

I like the looks of the afg.

absolutely irrelevant. It's a tool, not a handbag or pair of Gucci shoes. If it doesn't serve a purpose, it doesn't belong on your rifle.
Functional is cool
 
If we are talking "best home defense" gun, bar none hands down I'm putting my life on a short barreled shotgun. Maneuverability, lack of over penetration (safety for the kids and neighbors) and hard to miss at 5feet.

Wrong and super wrong.
00buck will not spread out enough at HD distances to "unable to miss".
00buck will sail through drywall like a knife through butter.
Good luck not short stroking the slide under extreme duress.

Go to any 3-gun match and observe the shooters. The vast majority of people struggle with shotgun stages because it's so easy to short stroke and so cumbersome to reload.

CZ 75b or Duty.
Sorted.

Send it over to Cajun Gunworks and have them drop in the kit. Personally I would get a 9mm just because of accessibility to ammo.

P-07 Duty with CGW internals. David is a master of his craft


I'm not thinking Hollywood quiet. I'm just thinking it would be quieted down enough to not destroy my ears if I fired in home defense capacity

Inside it will still be brutal. I promise
Auditory exclusion will aid you in the moment but you will have long term damage.

Life > 100% perfect hearing
 
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brad when I say looks I don't mean it as a visual thing . I'm not a form over function guy and never will be.

by looks I mean I like what it offers and can see how it will be an asset.

on the matter of over penetration I don't care because I'm just going to buy pre fragmented or frangible ammo for HD/SD I don't even know why that's an argument . most likely pre fragmented though I've heard frangible could be dangerous to shoot and the shells may not eject

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php/cName/rifle-ammo-223-556
 
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