[FIRST LOOK] ZT 0566 (or, so you wanted a smaller 0560?)

I recieved a voucher for a knife that could not be repaired and expired in 90 days. I sent a message to KAI asking if I could use it towards a 566 and would it be avaible before it expired. The response was yes I could but they would have to extend the 90 days as the knife would not be ready until Dec. 2013 or Jan. Soooo looks like a wait:)
 
I dont mind waiting for good stuff.
I dont like waiting , but I will wait as long as it takes.
Its not like I have to go knifeless ..................LOL
 
If that's true, I think I'll be picking up a 550 for now.
 
silversage said:
I recieved a voucher for a knife that could not be repaired and expired in 90 days. I sent a message to KAI asking if I could use it towards a 566 and would it be avaible before it expired. The response was yes I could but they would have to extend the 90 days as the knife would not be ready until Dec. 2013 or Jan. Soooo looks like a wait:)
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I can't imagine that they'd announce a desirable knife a year before it's actually produced. That's like begging for a drop in sales as people make no purchases until they can buy *that* knife. It would be very lousy marketing.
 
freewheeling said:
I can't imagine that they'd announce a desirable knife a year before it's actually produced. That's like begging for a drop in sales as people make no purchases until they can buy *that* knife. It would be very lousy marketing.
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I agree, and I am curtailing my knife purchases until the 566 is released. There is nothing out there that I would purchase at this point.
 
freewheeling said:
I can't imagine that they'd announce a desirable knife a year before it's actually produced. That's like begging for a drop in sales as people make no purchases until they can buy *that* knife. It would be very lousy marketing.
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Believe it. It keeps people talking about them, and it affects so few people anyway. Only knife nuts on the up and up even know about this stuff, and Kershaw makes their big bucks from the Chinese knives that non-knife nuts primarily buy. Knife nuts buy knives all the time anyway, when it comes out they will get it and they will buy other knives in the meantime. It gets some people upset and causes frustration for both sides, but in the end it is probably a good thing.
 
freewheeling said:
I can't imagine that they'd announce a desirable knife a year before it's actually produced. That's like begging for a drop in sales as people make no purchases until they can buy *that* knife. It would be very lousy marketing.
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People need to remember that Kai, deals in volume sales. Showing new product at trade shows like SHOT are so that buyers from the various companies that they supply can plan ahead for the rest of the year. These purchases/commitments help Kai plan their production schedule and how the factory floor time is allocated. Scheduling production has many additional factors such as availability of materials. They can't afford to have one minute of idle time in the factories here or in China. If everything isn't ready for a particular step in the process, something else needs to be. This makes it difficult to give an accurate availability date for any product that isn't already in final packaging.

Oh, and don't misinterpret what I'm saying as Kai only cares about the big buyers, because they obviously care a great deal about the end user, or they wouldn't be here taking all our abuse (or bothering with some of the ridiculously complex sprint runs.)
 
kneedeep said:
People need to remember that Kai, deals in volume sales. Showing new product at trade shows like SHOT are so that buyers from the various companies that they supply can plan ahead for the rest of the year. These purchases/commitments help Kai plan their production schedule and how the factory floor time is allocated. Scheduling production has many additional factors such as availability of materials. They can't afford to have one minute of idle time in the factories here or in China. If everything isn't ready for a particular step in the process, something else needs to be. This makes it difficult to give an accurate availability date for any product that isn't already in final packaging.

Oh, and don't misinterpret what I'm saying as Kai only cares about the big buyers, because they obviously care a great deal about the end user, or they wouldn't be here taking all our abuse (or bothering with some of the ridiculously complex sprint runs.)
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These are the conditions for KAI and other manufacturers right now, using linear programming to optimize delivery and production pathways and schedules. But we're right on the cusp of a new era where knife design will truly be a software industry and production will take place *in the home.* This is not more than 10 years away, at most, and it'll be here before we know it and before any of us are ready. So companies like KAI will be coping with an entirely different market with far less overhead. And one wonders if the same technology will also be used up the supply chain creating new input materials to the home printer/replicators. I find it hard to even imagine what the world will be like in 10 years time.
 
when can I get one?? I'm sure the answer lies somewhere in this thread but I'm too lazy to read 12 pages. I made it to pg #4 tho! I have a cryo that I edc but want something higher end/not as big as a 0560. I think this knife will be a hit. As soon as I can I'll be clicking that "buy now" button....

Oh no...I just read the rest of the thread. A year?? Man...looks like I will be getting that 0560 after all. I do like big knives but need to see if that size blade is legal in my state :grumpy:
 
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freewheeling said:
These are the conditions for KAI and other manufacturers right now, using linear programming to optimize delivery and production pathways and schedules. But we're right on the cusp of a new era where knife design will truly be a software industry and production will take place *in the home.* This is not more than 10 years away, at most, and it'll be here before we know it and before any of us are ready. So companies like KAI will be coping with an entirely different market with far less overhead. And one wonders if the same technology will also be used up the supply chain creating new input materials to the home printer/replicators. I find it hard to even imagine what the world will be like in 10 years time.
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That sounds like crazy talk. :D

So, you're saying we could just buy the .stl files from Kershaw and make our own knives on a 3D metal printer at home?
I could email Peters for heat treating too.
10yrs? Our opinions will differ here. Maybe 30.
 
2brothers said:
That sounds like crazy talk. :D

So, you're saying we could just buy the .stl files from Kershaw and make our own knives on a 3D metal printer at home?
I could email Peters for heat treating too.
10yrs? Our opinions will differ here. Maybe 30.
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Yeah, it does sound crazy. You could buy a 3D printer to print scales from a resin material right now for a couple thousand bucks. I am told that there are machines on the way that can combine molecular input "ink" to create compounds, including metallic alloys. It seems incredible that it's only a decade away, but that seems the case. It will be a different world.

But how will people who make their living in manufacturing buy any of this marvelous stuff? Uhh-oh...
 
I don't know anything about all this fancy technology stuff, but just hearing that I may have to wait until the end of the year for this knife doesn't make me a happy camper.:(
Oh well, I guess I'll just start marking off the days on my calendar.
 
That 566 is just what the doctor ordered. I am guessing the street price will be about $126-$136. I would have prefered it to be titanium and manual, but I won't complain.
 
I so want this...just out curiousity how come so many people want to de-assist it?
 
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Hmmmm. No Ti, no buy. :( Even though I prefer the Hinderer design, I'll pick up a Southard instead.
 
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Turborocket said:
The 566 looks great to me.

I carry a 561 with the blade razor sharp for SD - I love the size. I like to keep the blade pristine for that purpose, so I carry another folder for general utility - a 350 currently fills the utility role, but I foresee the 566 getting into that rotation. I don't mind mechanical assist for utility, but not for SD.
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I've read thei before, but it is something I've never understood. I mean, I've seen mercop's video(s) about unassisted being better, because assist could fail to lock open. But I've never had that issue with any of my assisted folders, from several manufacturers, cheap to expensive, foreign or domestic. And ever it did, it just means that you are now in the same situation that mercop would have you starting in. And if it is a fear of a perception of illegality, again, I don't understand. If you are using a knife fir utility that people could construe as being illegal, then you are greatly increasing your chances of someone perceiving it as illegal and causing problems.

Sorry to sidetrack. On topic: the ONLY thing I can find wrong with this knife is that it isn't coming out until Q3. Aauuuuughhhh!
 
neverdie36 said:
They're not really comparable. The Southard is close to $100 more than this is going to be.
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Perhaps. But that's an increase I'd be willing to accept for what will undoubtedly amount to a weight savings of an ounce or more in favor of the Southard. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the 0566 ends up weighing MORE than an 0560! :eek: (PS: Has anyone else noticed that ZT isn't posting weight specs on any of their new knives even though they've been asked repeatedly to do so . . . at least in the case of the 0801? I wonder what's up with that. :confused: )

The only conceivable reason I can think of for making the 0566 with a steel handle was a marketing decision on ZT's part to achieve a particular price point. I'm sure ZT met their goals in doing that. But they didn't meet mine. Regardless of the price point, it's Ti or die for me on a Hinderer-designed knife with a ZT trademark. Not even Rick could talk me out of that.
 
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