Fit and Finish - A Long Story

@Gomle Ha! Hey man the only part of my post that was directed at you was the first sentence. The rest of it was just my soapbox. I missed the part where EE said he didn't care about fit, and I agree with you that he probably misspoke. I re- read my post and I can see how you could have thought I was directing the post at you. I assure you however that I was not. Cheers!
 
Every single Emerson I've bought(just under a dozen)had a sticky lock & the blade was so off centered it was rubbing against the liner

The titanium lock IS going to be sticky against the steel until it is worn in - usually a week or so. Completely normal for Ti against steel. Did you even try adjusting the pivot to center the blade?
 
Emerson knives are meant to be used. No sprint runs in blue or pink G-10, no exotic steel and no BS. Emerson knives lock up solid and will provide the user with pride of ownership and many years of service. I don't think Mr. Emerson needs to explain the reality of fit and finish but, I'm sure glad he did.

My special run A100 with orange g10 and black coating would say different :) The fit and finish on that one is fine, too.
 
I like what you wrote here, it says a lot and very honest. I think most people can relate and understand.
I'm glad I got my picture taken with you at Blade, it was lots of fun!
 
Emerson knives are meant to be used. No sprint runs in blue or pink G-10, no exotic steel and no BS. Emerson knives lock up solid and will provide the user with pride of ownership and many years of service. I don't think Mr. Emerson needs to explain the reality of fit and finish but, I'm sure glad he did.
No sprint runs in blue or pink?
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...ree-daughters-lanyard-quot-on-a-pink-traveler
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/745796-emerson-mini-cqc-15

There's nothing wrong with exotic steels. For one, most of them are proven to be superior to older alloys in toughness, edge retention, and corrosion resistance. 154CM is good, but do the majority of discriminating knife consumers really want to stick with it when production companies are moving to more advanced powder steels in their blades at competitive prices? It'll become obsolete at one point. At the very least, if performance matters over appearance, then wouldn't a newer alloy be a better choice than an older one?
 
No sprint runs in blue or pink?
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...ree-daughters-lanyard-quot-on-a-pink-traveler
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/745796-emerson-mini-cqc-15

There's nothing wrong with exotic steels. For one, most of them are proven to be superior to older alloys in toughness, edge retention, and corrosion resistance. 154CM is good, but do the majority of discriminating knife consumers really want to stick with it when production companies are moving to more advanced powder steels in their blades at competitive prices? It'll become obsolete at one point. At the very least, if performance matters over appearance, then wouldn't a newer alloy be a better choice than an older one?

Yeah I agree with you Apec, but show us definite proof that S30v or whatever steel you think is more "advanced" outperforms 154CM under controlled and scientific tests.
 
If I recall Emerson played for the Cardinals... Not a fan, but it's baseball so I can get by that.

Never owned an Emerson knife, but I have owned an Emerson design, Benchmade CQC7... Liked the design but not the tanto blade

Read his post... Now I am off to find one of his knives that speaks to me, that's right I'll end up with a liner lock even after having one, not an Emerson, fail and cut my finger an 1/8" into the bone and got me 8 stitches. Still can't feel that side of my finger and that was 2 years ago.

ERNIE GREAT POST, AND KEEP UP THE SOLID WORK. :thumbup:
 
Thank you for your article sir. Mr. Emerson your knives are superb and define everything a tactical knife should be. Maybe a better name would be "to Hades and Back" knife. My sons will carry your knives.
 
Yeah I agree with you Apec, but show us definite proof that S30v or whatever steel you think is more "advanced" outperforms 154CM under controlled and scientific tests.


This is where things are going to get difficult. The variables need to be directly comparable - they should not differ in more than one aspect, otherwise you can introduce bias. You can have different steels, but it would also matter that blades were the same shape and had the same grind/edge geometry and level of sharpening/stropping. Currently, there no production Emersons (other than the Japanese hard wear series) that don't use 154CM. I can't just buy a Commander and stack it up against my Kershaw Auto-Commander - the Kershaw is V-sharpened.

But you can make assessments based on some of the manufacturer's data charts for their respective steels. They show microscopic images of the grain structure, include images of corrosion tests, and have heat treating data relevant to hardness. Anecdotally speaking, you also have the testimonies of other members on this forum that have used other steels in similar knives - though this is not scientific.

On the other hand, lack of scientific testing does not necessarily indicate that "advanced" steel doesn't outperform 154CM.
 
The titanium lock IS going to be sticky against the steel until it is worn in - usually a week or so. Completely normal for Ti against steel. Did you even try adjusting the pivot to center the blade?

Yes,I did that & when I tightened the pivot,the blade would move off the liner & be centered,but it would make it very hard to impossible to open one handed,let alone use the wave.
I've also used the pencil trick on the liner & it worked.I've also sanded down rough,uneven liners & scales.
My point is it'd be nice to pull a $160-$200+ knife out of the box,WITHOUT having to do these tweaks to it.The other big companies seem to have no problem doing that.
 
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I've only had one Emerson with the blade not centered perfect. Since I take apart my knives to clean them, I only had to shim the blade into center line when I tightened the screws. Worked fine for me, I think a little work goes a long way. The Emerson Ti liner lock needs a bit of a break in, as stated; the pencil trick is good but I've had better luck with the sharpie method. For the record; NOTHING is perfect, but these knives are close.
 
In my high school we had a serious badminton competition every year and many of the competitors went out and purchased $150.00 aluminum rackets to compete with. They were very nice, very light, very tight and had a lot of spring. My Junior year I went down to our local hardware store and bought a cheap backyard badminton set for $29.95 with four wooden rackets. I took one of those loose wooden rackets, painted it red, white and blue, wrote the words "U.S. Bomber," on the handle and whipped everyone in the tournament of over 100 players. I did it to prove it was not about the equipment, it was about the player.








My Best Regards,

Ernest R. Emerson

I'll take this as advice and I'll sell off my Police Utility Knife. I found it to be way overpriced anyway. I'll probably just pick up a Kabar Shorty to replace it with and pocket the rest of the money. I will be keeping my mini A100 though. I enjoy a small U.S. made folder with a liner lock.
 
Nice story but with all due respect how do you know which knives were present at the time of those operations you are summing up?
Or are you the sole supplier of those Teams? Just a question..,

I agree with Emel. I call BS on that statement. Zarqawi was never captuered. He was killed by a couple of bombs dropped by F-16's. I asked an F-16 pilot at the local air show what type of knife he carried and he showed me a multitool. I like Emerson folders but I don't buy into the stories he tells.
 
I agree with Emel. I call BS on that statement. Zarqawi was never captuered. He was killed by a couple of bombs dropped by F-16's. I asked an F-16 pilot at the local air show what type of knife he carried and he showed me a multitool. I like Emerson folders but I don't buy into the stories he tells.

That pilot will not be close enough to tell if the man he just killed even had hair on his head.
A image search of Zarqawi shows a deceased man, obviously taken from the ground and not by an F-16

I dont know about anyone else but I thought this was pretty neat
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Still can't feel that side of my finger and that was 2 years ago.

ERNIE GREAT POST, AND KEEP UP THE SOLID WORK. :thumbup:

That sucks. I had a butcher knife go through my hand and cut through two tendons, an artery and two nerves. If you cut a nerve, unless you have it surgically reconnected it will die. Even then, like my fingers, you may never get back full feeling. No I am not a doctor ;-p You will get used to it in a few years.
 
Emersons are what started me on this whole knife adventure. First knife was a CQC-7B. Its a great knife and did everything I needed it to do.
I agree that the finish on a blade is not overly important on a working knife. But I do have an issue with the skinny lock because it
tends to travel over way to quickly. I think Emerson needs to bring back the frame locks because that is a knife I would trust with my life.
 
Dear Wunderbar,

The bombs definitely f*cked him up. However, he was alive, taken captive, field interrogation was attempted and a vigorous effort to keep him alive was made by the SF medics on scene. He later died from wounds received by the bombs, concussive injuries causing internal damage to major organs.

I know the guys who were on the assault team and who dragged his sorry ass out of the rubble.

And also, we make a lot of knives for many pilots flying every type of aircraft in the US arsenal. They can carry whatever they want. I don't know what the pilots on that mission had on them. I can understand that you really don't know the relationship I have with all the Special Forces and Special Operations Units.

I learned a long time ago to always get your facts straight before you ever accuse anyone of a falsehood. It just makes you look foolish.

My Best Regards,

Ernest R. Emerson
 
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