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Fitness "Spartan" Beckerhead GAW discussion thread.
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THIS should NOT be in parentheses.....congratulations on the birth of your first child. A momentous occasion, indeed. Now you begin a journey of a new and completely different sort......
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Probably be the usual BSP values.
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That is a fascinating article. I'll have to show it to my wife too. She DOES have to keep up her ab strength though, thanks to the USAF PFT.
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Yeah, you can have strong abs and be lean, but to get crazy stong you're gonna have a thicker core. For example, Jesse Graff from American Ninja Warrior is amazingly strong or that fighter... Rousey? I can't remember the name, they both have phenomenal strength and beauty but they have thicker waists. Not thats its a problem at all, they're amazing, but it's an aesthetic choice. And if you keep your body lean, a thicker waist with rock hard abs is really hot, but you gotta stay pretty lean.
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Some inspiration for us all.
One of my favorite clients is a 70 year old, stubborn-as-nails lady. When she first came in she couldn't do 5 body weight squats. I was honestly concerned that I would need to call an ambulance at the 5 rep mark on that first day. She surprisingly came back and signed up. I conservatively increased the intensity of the various exercises (whilst she grumbled the whole time that I was babying her), and here she is a few weeks later:
Here's another action vid:
Video link here cuz I can't embed.
She keeps telling me she hasn't been the mobile in decades.
One of my favorite clients is a 70 year old, stubborn-as-nails lady. When she first came in she couldn't do 5 body weight squats. I was honestly concerned that I would need to call an ambulance at the 5 rep mark on that first day. She surprisingly came back and signed up. I conservatively increased the intensity of the various exercises (whilst she grumbled the whole time that I was babying her), and here she is a few weeks later:
Here's another action vid:
Video link here cuz I can't embed.
She keeps telling me she hasn't been the mobile in decades.
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Indeed. I find all kinds of random things on the internets. I think that my fitness goals are a hybrid of aesthetics and strength/functionality. I want it all! Haha. But I have 10 more lbs to lose before I really focus too hard on aethetics. I need to burn the last layer of squishy stuff off before I know what I want to work on.
Some inspiration for us all.
One of my favorite clients is a 70 year old, stubborn-as-nails lady. When she first came in she couldn't do 5 body weight squats. I was honestly concerned that I would need to call an ambulance at the 5 rep mark on that first day. She surprisingly came back and signed up. I conservatively increased the intensity of the various exercises (whilst she grumbled the whole time that I was babying her), and here she is a few weeks later:
Here's another action vid:
Video link here cuz I can't embed.
She keeps telling me she hasn't been the mobile in decades.
Super awesome. I definitly want to moving and groovin when I'm older too.
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I think this may be my second post here, the first being one I made years ago that no one responded to.
You want to look like a lion? Eat like a lion and train like a lion. You want to look like a cow? Train like a cow and eat like one.
The keys are intermittent fasting and a high protein diet. A 6 to 8 hour eating window every day. Eat like early man. Eat like a damn neanderthal. Short, intense exercise is the key. Anaerobic! Highly Anaerobic!
Ditch the BS and get with the 80/20 rules of fitness...
1. High protein consumption.
2. Intermittent fasting with an eating window of 6 - 8 hours per evening.
3. Short, intense Anaerobic exercise every other day.
Survivormind
You want to look like a lion? Eat like a lion and train like a lion. You want to look like a cow? Train like a cow and eat like one.
The keys are intermittent fasting and a high protein diet. A 6 to 8 hour eating window every day. Eat like early man. Eat like a damn neanderthal. Short, intense exercise is the key. Anaerobic! Highly Anaerobic!
Ditch the BS and get with the 80/20 rules of fitness...
1. High protein consumption.
2. Intermittent fasting with an eating window of 6 - 8 hours per evening.
3. Short, intense Anaerobic exercise every other day.
Survivormind
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I think you're right - most people will benefit from what you've said. It's how my husband does it and he's super fit and strong.
Some people though, want to keep aesthetics part of thier goals, so there are specific things they should do/work on. For example, some ladies work like lionesses and loose their booty unless they make sure to build mass through strength training their glutes. MOST people though, men and women, probably don't need to be that fussy, just working out and eating right is what they need to do. For myself, I have to really focus on upper body to balance out my legs. I've got t-rex arms.
I think that fitness discussions are super interesting. But yeah, protien (and veggies, so many veggies...) and HIIT is awesome and works great.
Its a game changer for sure. I guess I'm not super vocal about things, although that is I'd say the fourth time or so I've mentioned something about it offhand, and you're the first to mention/notice :thumbup:. Guess that while I don't like to make a big stink about things, but I did feel the need to mention it here and there :/.
So far so good on the pushups. I think I'm behind a day, and things are busy this weekend (blessing the baby at church, family is coming into town), but things should settle down after that.
I haven't really started on the situps, that I'll have to fix.
I've also been thinking of adding pullups into my workout again. I have said before that after all my lifting, with all sorts of people, I've come to the theory that every person is better at at least one workout than they "should" be (relative to their others), and usually worse at at least one thing as well. My worst thing has always been my back. I've never been good at pullups, but that really shouldn't be an excuse to not do them.
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Grats on the new 'Head, Logan. Pullups are nice. I've gotten better about those after I picked up one of those pullup bars that you put in the doorframe.
Okay so yesterday I did four hours of weightlifting and dragging weights between 20-80lbs and one hour of lifting and dragging weights between 80-140lbs (Moderate and intermittent pace). Then I went and removed the grindings from a ground stump with a shovel and used a two wheel metal wheelbarrow to move the wood and dirt over twenty yards to a pickup truck. The barrow full must have weighed 100lbs easy, and the dirt and heavy wet woodchips filled the whole bed of the truck. After removing the chips with a shovel and cleaning up, I had to unload the chips from the truck by shovel. Then I did about forty five minutes of pulling some pretty serious weeds out of the ground, some took 20-30lbs of force to pull from the ground. I had a pretty extreme workout and I think I lost a pound or two pounds of weight just from yesterday alone. I am ravenous.
Today, I did fifty reps in a row with 20lb weights. I also did six miles of walking with boots on. Not much, but I felt like kicking back a little today.
Today, I did fifty reps in a row with 20lb weights. I also did six miles of walking with boots on. Not much, but I felt like kicking back a little today.
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Friends, forget the aerobic exercise. Anaerobic is where it's at. There is no point doing 4 hours of exercise no matter the details unless you are training for endurance specific to that activity. Keep your workouts short and intense with heavy weights and focus on compound movements only. If you don't believe me, read Tim Feriss' "The 4 Hour Body" and start with Occam's Protocol. That will be a basic primer.
Love you all,
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Zemapeli's workout seemed fine to me. I've put in 4 hours before. It depends on what exercises he's doing. Sure, maybe you can say that 4 hours of the same stuff isn't any good, but you can't lift everything in an hour or two. I'm hesitant to believe anyone that says "read this one source blah blah and I'm right." There's a lot of different theories on working out, and very little that's definitive, even the stuff that everyone believes. Half of that turns out not to be true when further discoveries are made anyways.
There are certainly some facts that are unavoidable. For instance, the buff people that you see, athletes, or the actors who are getting super fit so they have bodies fit for display on the silver screen (pun intended), etc, I can assure you aren't putting in 1-2 hours a day on their exercising. Nope, they're working all the time, often times more like 8 hours a day. When it comes to Tim Feriss, he's got no degrees or any expertise in the subject beyond what's worked for him, and stuff he thinks about why. Lots of his advice, no surprise, is questionable, particularly when it comes to the diet aspects, and has been heavily criticized by registered dieticians and doctors. Hardly the workout gospel. It may have some good nuggets, and it may have worked for you, and that's great. But that doesn't make it, or you, enough of an authority that I want you criticizing other people's workouts here. That's counter to the point of this contest/thread.
There are other potential problems with the lifting methodology as well, IMO. Short and intense is all very well and good, depending on the amount of weight that you're using, to a point. It comes down to what you want to accomplish. For instance, if you're doing a lot of weight, and shorter workouts, you'll get plenty of bulk to the muscles. Tone tends to get more questionable, and more importantly, so does strength. That methodology usually ends up in micro-tearing muscle, which stimulates growth, sure, but it also leaves muscle full of scars, which compromise the integrity of the muscle fibers. So you get bulk, but your strength gains for said bulk aren't that great. You're also building mostly slow-twitch muscle (which is worthless to most athletes, unless their sport revolves around slowly moving large amounts of weight). HIIT and other similar methodologies may be good for weight loss. But from what I've seen, different workouts are derived with different goals in mind, and there's no one way to get there.
In any case, particularly if you're not participating, there's very little room in this thread for telling other people that they're doing it wrong. The entire point of this is to get people going, and doing something, and there's very little that drains motivation more than telling someone who has just put in a lot of effort that they're doing it wrong. If you want to encourage people to try something, you can mention that it worked for you, etc. But I do not condone this "holier-than-thou" stuff and telling people "this is how it is." I especially do not want to see any criticizing of someone else's workouts. There's a big difference between mentioning that you really like a particular exercise methodology, and insisting that everyone else is doing it wrong. Even if you're right, this thread/contest is NOT the place for it. Frankly, if you want to prove it, join in, and push yourself, and show off your results. Mutual encouragement is good. Putting down someone's workout will get you instantly disqualified if you're participating. And if you're not, there's even less room for you to be in here criticizing.
I don't mind discussing different workout theories. But keep advice or commentary friendly and positive, and stay away from making "you" statements if you must be negative. "I think that there's very little point to working out for 4 hours" is better than "there's no point to..." for instance, although I'd rather not see either. Better to say "you might not even need to work out for 4 hours to get the same results, if you're going for weight loss. I read a really interesting book, called 'the 4 hour body,' by Tim Feriss, which you might find interesting."
There are certainly some facts that are unavoidable. For instance, the buff people that you see, athletes, or the actors who are getting super fit so they have bodies fit for display on the silver screen (pun intended), etc, I can assure you aren't putting in 1-2 hours a day on their exercising. Nope, they're working all the time, often times more like 8 hours a day. When it comes to Tim Feriss, he's got no degrees or any expertise in the subject beyond what's worked for him, and stuff he thinks about why. Lots of his advice, no surprise, is questionable, particularly when it comes to the diet aspects, and has been heavily criticized by registered dieticians and doctors. Hardly the workout gospel. It may have some good nuggets, and it may have worked for you, and that's great. But that doesn't make it, or you, enough of an authority that I want you criticizing other people's workouts here. That's counter to the point of this contest/thread.
There are other potential problems with the lifting methodology as well, IMO. Short and intense is all very well and good, depending on the amount of weight that you're using, to a point. It comes down to what you want to accomplish. For instance, if you're doing a lot of weight, and shorter workouts, you'll get plenty of bulk to the muscles. Tone tends to get more questionable, and more importantly, so does strength. That methodology usually ends up in micro-tearing muscle, which stimulates growth, sure, but it also leaves muscle full of scars, which compromise the integrity of the muscle fibers. So you get bulk, but your strength gains for said bulk aren't that great. You're also building mostly slow-twitch muscle (which is worthless to most athletes, unless their sport revolves around slowly moving large amounts of weight). HIIT and other similar methodologies may be good for weight loss. But from what I've seen, different workouts are derived with different goals in mind, and there's no one way to get there.
In any case, particularly if you're not participating, there's very little room in this thread for telling other people that they're doing it wrong. The entire point of this is to get people going, and doing something, and there's very little that drains motivation more than telling someone who has just put in a lot of effort that they're doing it wrong. If you want to encourage people to try something, you can mention that it worked for you, etc. But I do not condone this "holier-than-thou" stuff and telling people "this is how it is." I especially do not want to see any criticizing of someone else's workouts. There's a big difference between mentioning that you really like a particular exercise methodology, and insisting that everyone else is doing it wrong. Even if you're right, this thread/contest is NOT the place for it. Frankly, if you want to prove it, join in, and push yourself, and show off your results. Mutual encouragement is good. Putting down someone's workout will get you instantly disqualified if you're participating. And if you're not, there's even less room for you to be in here criticizing.
I don't mind discussing different workout theories. But keep advice or commentary friendly and positive, and stay away from making "you" statements if you must be negative. "I think that there's very little point to working out for 4 hours" is better than "there's no point to..." for instance, although I'd rather not see either. Better to say "you might not even need to work out for 4 hours to get the same results, if you're going for weight loss. I read a really interesting book, called 'the 4 hour body,' by Tim Feriss, which you might find interesting."
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So many ways to go about training. Depends on what you want. I'm a casual powerlifter, I do HIIT resistance and body weight work, and I work on my sports activity of choice. My training is a pretty good mix of aerobic and anaerobic activity. Keeps me strong yet flexible, fast yet durable. I also eat all the time because I'm always hungry. 3500 calories is the minimum, but I like to keep it in the 3700-4000 range.
Did I mention I'm only 5'3 and ~145 (plus tax
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My workouts are different than CF's which are different from Zamapeli's which are different from Cap's, and in the end it doesn't matter so long as we can move towards our own respective goals. Maybe there's a more efficient way to go about it, maybe not. The goal of the original MYB and BSP posts for the past couple of years was to get ourselves motivated enough so that we get up and do SOMETHING rather than theory craft and find the perfect workout, all while doing NOTHING.
Did I mention I'm only 5'3 and ~145 (plus tax
)? My workouts are different than CF's which are different from Zamapeli's which are different from Cap's, and in the end it doesn't matter so long as we can move towards our own respective goals. Maybe there's a more efficient way to go about it, maybe not. The goal of the original MYB and BSP posts for the past couple of years was to get ourselves motivated enough so that we get up and do SOMETHING rather than theory craft and find the perfect workout, all while doing NOTHING.
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Thank you for this, Crim. I can't change my job to suit the lifestyle I'd maybe (or maybe rather not) live. Plus, at over 50 with a torn hamstring and an exploded L4-L5 disc surgery in my past.....despite what might be said about how unhealthy our lifestyles are in general, the average age of human beings keeps rising. I am trying to be more fit, and I believe aerobic exercise is pretty damn helpful for me and my general stamina. I also like the positive spin you've put on this endeavor and the encouragement you're providing. I had a whole post that I deleted because I didn't want to bring the thread to that level. But I will leave this here:
Let us not forget that the Neanderthals did not....er, bear fruit on their branch of the evolutionary tree, shall we say. They lived in a completely different climate and era, and when all that changed, they did not adapt. We, as modern homo sapiens, are without question NOT Neanderthals. We do not live in the paleolithic world - NO sabertooth tigers, NO wooly mammoths or mastodons.....and as such, maybe should look to the world we inhabit at present and work with that. Also, Neanderthals did not have Beckers.....or ANY steel tools, for that matter. I have lived well past what I might have if I were to be alive 45,000 years ago - and I appreciate this as I look forward to the next half decade or so I hope to exist. I'm still going to ride my carbon fiber bike, 'cause it's fun and it raises my pulse rate. And I'm going to try and get some strength back with some of the suggestions CrimsonFalcon has put forward in this inspiring thread/contest. That is all.
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I'd like to be able to do this:
[video=youtube;POdzasJklxw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POdzasJklxw[/video]
But the time it would require to do that or get there....
I may have to start here:
[video=youtube;hEMcHVwzHPA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEMcHVwzHPA[/video]
[video=youtube;POdzasJklxw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POdzasJklxw[/video]
But the time it would require to do that or get there....
I may have to start here:
[video=youtube;hEMcHVwzHPA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEMcHVwzHPA[/video]
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Glad you're enjoying, GSOM. Hope it pays off for you.
TBL, those exercises look like "fun." Good stuff in those videos.
TBL, those exercises look like "fun." Good stuff in those videos.
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Crimson,
It seems like I came across as more critical than I meant too. I don't spend a lot of time on these threads and was just trying to be short and to the point about result oriented training.
I've read a ton of the medical journals related to physical training over the past 15 years. There is simply too much new data for "doctors" to know diddly squat about it. I just hate to put it that way. You find me some well known PhD's in sports science that actually spend the time studying and making good sense of clinical studies done on the last 10 years regarding human performance that say Tim Ferris has no idea what he's talking about and we'll go from there. So far, he's proven as a human Guinea pig that he can get some damn good results. How about Micheal Haycock (one of these PhD's who's training methods are very close to Tim's)? Martin Berkhan? Do these guys also not know what they are talking about because they are questioned by so-called experts?
Martin Berkhan stays at 5% body fat YEAR ROUND and posts numerous videos of him Dead-lifting over 700 pounds every week, numerous times, on his FB page. He's the world's foremost authority on intermittent fasting. You can't exactly get a degree in intermittent fasting but there he is anyways and the results and science he follows and outlines can't be denied.
My recommendation to read Tim's book was placed here out of the kindness of my own heart. If everyone here is looking at this thread to accomplish one of the following bullets...
- performance oriented training
- building muscle mass with minimal effort
- getting less fat
- growing your buttocks
- getting less fat (yes, this is an important one so I listed it twice. Google "slow carb diet" for a primer.)
- increasing testosterone
- having better sex
...than it's worth reading. There are quicker methods of achieving these things but you'll have to find them yourself. I don't have much time to spend on this site so this was my best attempt at imparting a small blessing (thank you, Tim) on my friends here.
I exercise with heavy weights regularly because, as has been proven time and time again, both by experts that have been tested and my own personal experience working amongst and being tested amongst some of the top executive protection professionals in the world, heavy weight training not only increases strength and muscle mass but endurance as well IF you train correctly with weights. I also spend lots of time in remote places and when that happens and training can be done, I usually follow a lot of old Crossfit workouts that can be done with my bodyweight only and /or bring a kettlebell and intermixed that with 100 meter sprintssprints.
Crimson got me to post my longest post in a long time but this just isn't enough of a priority for me to regularly visit this thread. I hope someone find this post worthwhile.
My Best to anyone willing to have a look in the mirror every morning, willing to admit they can be better, and then striving to achieve that.
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Thanks Survivormind. That was much more in line with what I hoped this thread would be. Encouragement etc is fine.
I don't mean to say that Tim definitely doesn't know what he's talking about. The point was more that he's hardly in a position to be referred to as the be-all and end-all. It's great that he gets results for himself, but he has neither the anatomical knowledge, nor the science to verify exactly WHERE and WHY those results come from. Not that such is specific to him alone; but being well-known and getting results isn't the same as knowing what you're talking about. You mention there's a lot of new "data," and that's precisely my point. This particular field is characterized by a lot of ideas, many of them conflicting, all of them with plenty of examples of people who get results, and very little, if anything, that's definitive, outside of exercise being good, and eating less helping to reduce weight. The professionals in the field can't even necessarily agree on what counts as eating healthy. Nor do they agree on what counts as "correct" weight-lifting. Sure, there are prevailing ideas. But nothing that's really truly definitive. And mostly, what we find out, is what NOT to do. That doesn't mean that the "experts" are not worth listening to. It does mean, IMO, that, while they're worth discussing and it's always nice to try out different things, what ultimately matters is that you get out there and try. That's the whole point of this thread. I'm glad your last post was a lot more on board; your last sentence in particular is very close to the goal of this GAW challenge.
I don't mean to say that Tim definitely doesn't know what he's talking about. The point was more that he's hardly in a position to be referred to as the be-all and end-all. It's great that he gets results for himself, but he has neither the anatomical knowledge, nor the science to verify exactly WHERE and WHY those results come from. Not that such is specific to him alone; but being well-known and getting results isn't the same as knowing what you're talking about. You mention there's a lot of new "data," and that's precisely my point. This particular field is characterized by a lot of ideas, many of them conflicting, all of them with plenty of examples of people who get results, and very little, if anything, that's definitive, outside of exercise being good, and eating less helping to reduce weight. The professionals in the field can't even necessarily agree on what counts as eating healthy. Nor do they agree on what counts as "correct" weight-lifting. Sure, there are prevailing ideas. But nothing that's really truly definitive. And mostly, what we find out, is what NOT to do. That doesn't mean that the "experts" are not worth listening to. It does mean, IMO, that, while they're worth discussing and it's always nice to try out different things, what ultimately matters is that you get out there and try. That's the whole point of this thread. I'm glad your last post was a lot more on board; your last sentence in particular is very close to the goal of this GAW challenge.