FOLDER Death chat.........................

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Liu Kang said:
There, I edited out the double words, maybe now they will make sense to you. Try reading and understand the words now...:D
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I do. And you're right as far as being worth it to Jerry. I disagree though that a good folder can't be had for less than $500 - $1000 (after start up costs) :D I was just messing with ya buddy. :thumbup:
 
I guess it would be cool to have a folder with the Busse name on it. I have a Swamp Rat folder in my pocket right now. But there are already some excellent folders available from a number of good manufacturers available.
 
adrock1978 said:
Seriously though, why couldn't a decent folder be had for even under $500? I understand R&D, and new machines and what not, and that that would drive up the price initially. If the venture proves profitable and enough people want them (which I'm almost positive is the case) I'd think Jerry would make it a production product and eventually prices could come down.

I know its not a BUSSE... or even some of the more coveted custom names, but my ZT301 is a f*ckin beast. It, to me would be the bar I'd expect Busse to at least surpass. Ok, we all love INFI and its the only steel for us... but on a realistic level, good sub $500 folders can be and are produced.

In my mind, that's the only way Jerry will sell enough to make it profitable. Its not like his fixed blades. There is nothing like a 1/4" fixed INFI blade and I'd never depend on anything else. There ARE however already a bunch of good dependable folders out there you can rely on... and simply "one made of INFI" isn't go to sway the larger masses. Certainly not if it's $600.

I think you guys (us, me, we) need to take a realistic step back sometimes. I've used and abused an $80 CRKT M16-13z for nearly 10 years. Now I have a ZT301 and honestly any more knife than that really isn't worth it. I can't imagine getting $400 more knife.
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I love the ZT300s also, I have two, one of which has the carbon fiber scale, which adds a cool factor, IMO. I would love a Busse assisted INFI flipper for $250, I'm guessing Jerry would sell a few of them..................


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adrock1978 said:
I do. And you're right as far as being worth it to Jerry. I disagree though that a good folder can't be had for less than $500 - $1000 (after start up costs) :D I was just messing with ya buddy. :thumbup:
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I agree it is a little odd to try to make me, the customer, believe that I am going to have to cover Busse's Initial cost in machinery. Think about that logic for a second. Startup cost is Busse's investment not mine. With all do respect.
 
richstag said:
I agree it is a little odd to try to make me, the customer, believe that I am going to have to cover Busse's Initial cost in machinery. Think about that logic for a second. Startup cost is Busse's investment not mine. With all do respect.
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And I was just going to start a "FOLDER Startup Fund" for Jerry to get things rolling! I figured if we could collect $200 - $300 towards the initial FOLDER R&D, machines, and manpower, that would put Jerry over the top to start production!!!!


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adrock1978 said:
I do. And you're right as far as being worth it to Jerry. I disagree though that a good folder can't be had for less than $500 - $1000 (after start up costs) :D I was just messing with ya buddy. :thumbup:
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Yea, I know you were just messing with me and it's all good. I am like everyone else here though, I would like a folder at a great price, but if you look at the numbers, it has to be high. I would not want or expect anything but the best from a Busse and so does everyone else here.
And if Busse stays with the same warranty, then there will probably be much more problems with the folders because there will be moving parts, pivots, and locks. This could increase how busy the custom shop gets. Lots of new people keep asking why Busse cost so much and we keep telling them if you want the best, you have to pay for it.
Shouldn't this be true for us also? If we want the best folder, why are we comparing it to a Lionsteel? If I thought that was good, I would have got them at Blade. It might be a good folder, but I want something better then good.
If at least we say we will pay top dollar for a great folder, maybe we have a chance to get something. But we are asking for a folder for under $500, I just don't know if it's worth is time and would be more of a waste of time for me to ask.
 
INFI blade, scales, and locking mechanism, as well as an INFI pivot (make the pivot like .22" thick) and NM treated, maybe a super heavy duty Liner-Lock (Or frame lock).... now that would truly be worthy to carry the Busse name!
 
randucci said:
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I love the ZT300s also, I have two, one of which has the carbon fiber blade, which adds a cool factor, IMO. I would love a Busse assisted INFI flipper for $250, I'm guessing Jerry would sell a few of them..................


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I imagine carbon fiber would make a poor blade material.
 
knife hunter said:
but then you could only use one at a time:confused:


make it ambidextrous and I will buy two too:eek:


One for each hand:):D
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Good point KH! I was thinking one for edc and one for the safe but the whole ambi/dual wielding thing might work :D :thumbup:
 
randucci said:
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And I was just going to start a "FOLDER Startup Fund" for Jerry to get things rolling! I figured if we could collect $200 - $300 towards the initial FOLDER R&D, machines, and manpower, that would put Jerry over the top to start production!!!!


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Eventually, if we are lucky, we will get to the point where we can give all our money to the Boss for free, but then later on, he gives us a knife for free (only to those who originally gave him free money).

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Liu Kang said:
Yea, I know you were just messing with me and it's all good. I am like everyone else here though, I would like a folder at a great price, but if you look at the numbers, it has to be high. I would not want or expect anything but the best from a Busse and so does everyone else here.
And if Busse stays with the same warranty, then there will probably be much more problems with the folders because there will be moving parts, pivots, and locks. This could increase how busy the custom shop gets. Lots of new people keep asking why Busse cost so much and we keep telling them if you want the best, you have to pay for it.
Shouldn't this be true for us also? If we want the best folder, why are we comparing it to a Lionsteel? If I thought that was good, I would have got them at Blade. It might be a good folder, but I want something better then good.
If at least we say we will pay top dollar for a great folder, maybe we have a chance to get something. But we are asking for a folder for under $500, I just don't know if it's worth is time and would be more of a waste of time for me to ask.
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I wasn't directly comparing the LionSteel SR-1 to the Busse folder because there isn't a production Busse folder to compare it to. I was only pointing out the features of a folder for $400 that are similar to the Busse prototype.

I don't share your opinion of the LionSteel SR-1, what more do you want than a one piece solid titanium frame, replaceable tip frame lock, locking bar feature, large pivot, reverseable clip folder for $400? I'm thinking you didn't buy any because you didn't think you could re-sell them for a profit as they are available for sale currently on their website and at dealers. I have been carring one for a couple of months now and I find it better than most I paid twice as much for! The other one piece titanium frame folders in the picture in my #29 post all go for more than $1300 if you can find them!


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Ok, I say we stay on point here and ask Mr. Busse to produce a folder. I don't care about the specs, those are up to him. All I ask is that the blade is INFI and it doesn't weigh more than a handgun.
 
A folder would bring world peace. I'll trust the folks in Wauseon to the specs... they haven't steered me wrong yet.










Well, there was that time at the Golden Manor and the breakfast buffet but I blame Stewie for that.
 
Liu Kang said:
Yea, I know you were just messing with me and it's all good. I am like everyone else here though, I would like a folder at a great price, but if you look at the numbers, it has to be high. I would not want or expect anything but the best from a Busse and so does everyone else here.

Shouldn't this be true for us also? If we want the best folder, why are we comparing it to a Lionsteel? If I thought that was good, I would have got them at Blade. It might be a good folder, but I want something better then good.
If at least we say we will pay top dollar for a great folder, maybe we have a chance to get something. But we are asking for a folder for under $500, I just don't know if it's worth is time and would be more of a waste of time for me to ask.
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See this is what blows my mind. And please take this as conversational value and not personal or argumentative. The idea that you get what you pay for is true... to an extent. Personally I think its the mentality like this that drives even the prices of Busse knives way out of proportion. But I pay for them.


Simply charging $1500 for a folder doesn't make it better than a great knife that "only" costs $400. If a guy makes 200 knives a year and charges $1000 for it, it doesn't necessarily mean its better than a reputable company that makes 10 times that many and charges half the price. It simply does not cost upwards of $500+ to make a good folding knife. You're not being realistic, and I'd question how often you even use a knife if you think so. You're obviously in a different bracket if you only use and think good folding knives can only be had for $1000.

You're talking about a Lionsteel as if it were some piece of garbage not worth even mentioning. I've put my ZT through hell. I've batoned with it, I've scored sheet metal, I dug shiny pieces of rock out of other rocks for my kid with it, and a whole bunch of other tough use tasks. And I paid $200 for it... and it was used. I'm not going to let some manufacturer believe that he HAS to charge an arm and a leg for a good knife. Its not the case.

If it takes 20lbs of perpendicular-to-the-blade force to snap a $200 knife, you're telling me, proportionally speaking that a "better knife" at $800 will withstand 80lbs... it doesn't work that way. Eventually technology levels off and your just over paying.

I really hate to say it, and I mean no offense, and this is not necessarily directed at anyone, but it sounds like an elitist attitude thinking you can't get a good folding knife unless you're paying $600+ for it.

I think Jerry is smart enough to know that he can expand his fan base immensely by producing a "good" folding knife, priced fairly enough for the common guy and it doesn't have to be some super, unbreakable, unobtainable uber-knife. Because a lot of companies are doing it.

/rant
 
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