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For those curious about the difference in the Tri-ad lock vs traditional lockbacks
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I think the Espada scores highest on the stress test. And that is saying something.
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This is a production CS M Espada...
This is my Demko custom Navajah...
I'm sure this won't make a lot of people happy but you can sure tell that is a handmade knife. The spring is not smooth but 'jumpy' as well as the cutout for the spring. The lockbar also doesn't look real smooth. All the parts look like they were cut out by hand and not smoothed up. But I guess they don't need to be if the outside of the knife is smooth and well made. It also shows you don't have to be too precise if you take the time to fit things together and make sure everything works well together.
I have only Spydies. Not a single CS knife.
To me, it seems like Tri-ad lock is one tougher locking system compared to lockback. However, Spyderco's knives look much better and don't scream mall ninja. I will choose Spydies because I don't use my knives for tough tasks.
To me, it seems like Tri-ad lock is one tougher locking system compared to lockback. However, Spyderco's knives look much better and don't scream mall ninja. I will choose Spydies because I don't use my knives for tough tasks.
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Knives don't scream "Mall Ninja", judgemental people do.
(If knives did, then the Endura 4 Wave might as well...or the P'kal...or the Chinook...or the Spyderfly...or the Shabaria...
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Knives don't scream "Mall Ninja", judgemental people do.
You are a wise man.
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This is not a Spyderco-VS-Cold-Steel thread. And I'm happy for you that you can say with 100% certainty what tasks your knives will be called upon for the rest of your life. :thumbup:
This is it. Sorry I gotta run now but I will edit this post later. Feel free to comment.
Ok. Here's a comment:
You can get them both at ~$55 and the Endura doesn't compare - at all. Unless you're really, really into the very marginal advantage in edge retention with VG10 over AUS8 and/or the Spyderhole, you'd be a sucker to get the Endura at that price point since it feels incredibly cheap and underwhelming in comparison...
to each his own , i dont treat my folders like fixed blades, i prefer nicer steels and refined knife designs,, basically im not into making cutting tasks into blunt force tasks. so i have no need of the extra lock strength when my endura slices so easilly, as compared to a cs that takes more force. maybe then the extra lock strength makes sense. to some
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The Hold Out slices just as good as an Endura and some CS blades slices even better in some tasks due to the hollow grind.
The biggest selling point for the Tri-Ad I would think is not so much the strength but the durability. On a knife like the Hold Out you have a relatively massive pivot and most of the stress is on the stop pin, so it wont wear out from flicking or tasks medium and up. The quality of the build makes the Endura feel like a disposable knife...
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Strawman. No one ever said this. It is a fact though that most if not all Spyderco's are excellent slicers.
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Philwar, any time the subject of CS vs Spyderco comes up it's inevitable; somebody chimes in "well the Spyderco is gonna be a better slicer". I've seen it many times. And yes, they do slice well, but "better" is up for interpretation. Recently a person posted that the Manix 2 would slice better than the Recon 1. I questioned how the Manix, with its shorter hollow grind and similar blade stock was going to be a better slicer and got no response.
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Never argue with a fanboi, particularly a Spyderco one. Please refer to my siggie.
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Wrong in so many ways.
And this is from someone who owns enough Cold Steel folders, an Endura (had others) and higher end knives such as the Umnumzaan to be able to discern quality when it is present.
It is possible to appreciate an item without denigrating another. Quality stands on its own.:thumbup:
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Since we've gone off topic about slicing - check it out. I don't know the physics involved in all of this but a couple of weeks ago I bought a new recliner to replace my old La-Z-Boy ((around 17 yrs old).
This chair was their largest available at the time, with super thick brown checkered fabric. The threads are so thick you can see them - as compared to modern coverings which look like fuzzy or soft cloth w/o a lot of texture.
Before Removing the upper portion, I got it in my small brain to do some slash/slices on it with the only two knives I carry on a daily basis. A Hinderer XM-18 3.5" flipper and a Spyderco Military.
Both knives are sharp enough to cut the thinnest paper that comes in the mail - with all the ads on them. Thinner than reguar newspaper. The XM-18 blade is much thicker than the Military so I thought this will be a "no contest." I stabbed into the top (head section) which is the heavy fabric and a lot of white padding underneath. Immediately after stabbing, I pulled the blade sideways for a slice. I did this in one motion and as hard as I could.
The XM-18 cut the hell out of the cushion, leaving 5 - 6 inch slices after penetration. I did about 4 of them and got the same results.
I took out the Military and did the same stab and slice and I couldn't get more than approx. 1 - 1.5 inch of slicing and was stopped cold! Repeat, Repeat, Repeat and same results! It stabbed fine but wouldn't slice through that heavy fabric.
I figure it might have something to do with the weight of the tool being used. So I'd bet my bottom dollar that a razor sharp, heavier bladed Hinderer will outslice a similarly sharp Military any day of the week and even embarrass the Spyderco while at it.
Go figure huh?
This chair was their largest available at the time, with super thick brown checkered fabric. The threads are so thick you can see them - as compared to modern coverings which look like fuzzy or soft cloth w/o a lot of texture.
Before Removing the upper portion, I got it in my small brain to do some slash/slices on it with the only two knives I carry on a daily basis. A Hinderer XM-18 3.5" flipper and a Spyderco Military.
Both knives are sharp enough to cut the thinnest paper that comes in the mail - with all the ads on them. Thinner than reguar newspaper. The XM-18 blade is much thicker than the Military so I thought this will be a "no contest." I stabbed into the top (head section) which is the heavy fabric and a lot of white padding underneath. Immediately after stabbing, I pulled the blade sideways for a slice. I did this in one motion and as hard as I could.
The XM-18 cut the hell out of the cushion, leaving 5 - 6 inch slices after penetration. I did about 4 of them and got the same results.
I took out the Military and did the same stab and slice and I couldn't get more than approx. 1 - 1.5 inch of slicing and was stopped cold!
Repeat, Repeat, Repeat and same results! It stabbed fine but wouldn't slice through that heavy fabric.I figure it might have something to do with the weight of the tool being used. So I'd bet my bottom dollar that a razor sharp, heavier bladed Hinderer will outslice a similarly sharp Military any day of the week and even embarrass the Spyderco while at it.
Go figure huh?
lmao so your not a cs fanboi? and the crap sweek said i responded to. you really didnt pick a good example to go up against when you decided to try to prop up the cs pos line by bashing one of the most successful knives spyderco or anyone else ever made.
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I wouldn't say Cold Steel makes crap though.
I recently got an old style extra large Voyager Tanto 5" blade (I know, tantos...hey, the clip points were out of stock
).VG-1 steel (nice!), linerless Zytel scales, pinned construction...it reminded me alot of the old pinned Enduras for action and build quality.
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Since we've gone off topic about slicing - check it out. I don't know the physics involved in all of this but a couple of weeks ago I bought a new recliner to replace my old La-Z-Boy ((around 17 yrs old).
This chair was their largest available at the time, with super thick brown checkered fabric. The threads are so thick you can see them - as compared to modern coverings which look like fuzzy or soft cloth w/o a lot of texture.
Before Removing the upper portion, I got it in my small brain to do some slash/slices on it with the only two knives I carry on a daily basis. A Hinderer XM-18 3.5" flipper and a Spyderco Military.
Both knives are sharp enough to cut the thinnest paper that comes in the mail - with all the ads on them. Thinner than reguar newspaper. The XM-18 blade is much thicker than the Military so I thought this will be a "no contest." I stabbed into the top (head section) which is the heavy fabric and a lot of white padding underneath. Immediately after stabbing, I pulled the blade sideways for a slice. I did this in one motion and as hard as I could.
The XM-18 cut the hell out of the cushion, leaving 5 - 6 inch slices after penetration. I did about 4 of them and got the same results.
I took out the Military and did the same stab and slice and I couldn't get more than approx. 1 - 1.5 inch of slicing and was stopped cold!
I figure it might have something to do with the weight of the tool being used. So I'd bet my bottom dollar that a razor sharp, heavier bladed Hinderer will outslice a similarly sharp Military any day of the week and even embarrass the Spyderco while at it.
Go figure huh?
Solosknifereviews did an awesome tire cut test comparison between an xm18 and a military that you might enjoy watching on youtube.