Fourboysplus is a horrible seller, sent bad knife and will not take it back

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1) As a seller, you are responsible to deliver paid for goods as any seller is. You are responsible until it reaches the buyer.
Putting it in the mail does not absolve you of this responsibility. If you fail to insure the knife and it becomes lost, you are responsible to refund the buyer and take the loss for your negligence in not protecting yourself or the buyer.

2) As a buyer, you are responsible to report problems immediately to the seller and try to work out a solution in an amicable manner. This does not include any modification, tinkering, cleaning or maintenance of your item. Once you've tinkered with the item, it is yours.
 
@RedDevil. He and I have talked via email and I will not be issuing a refund as this item was 100% flawless and functioning perfectly. They buyer has messed with the knife in someway , shape or form and I am not responsible for that.
 
Pittknife said:
I found this Shirogorov mod 95 here on the forums for sale. I was really excited to get it. When I got it, it was not smooth and would not flip open. I took it apart to see if it needed cleaning. I cleaned it and reassembled and noticed that to center the blade you had to have a really tight pivot, which prevented it from flipping open. I contacted the seller Fourboysplus and he told me he would not give me a refund and take the knife back. I am attaching the whole email thread below minus my cell number. Only good thing is that he asked to be gifted and I refused and now I opened a paypal dispute. Do not deal with this guy, I don't know how he has good feedback. [convo redacted for space]
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FWIW, you might find this thread interesting.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-all-the-Flakes-lately?highlight=Fourboysplus

Always a good idea to check this forum before buying from anyone. Sometimes things pop up here that aren't immediately obvious in iTrader. Read what other folks have said and then make your own decision. But unless you have done business with someone before research is always a good idea. Especially on a high priced item.

Great move with PP. I never gift anyone for several reasons, but transactions like this do happen and is one of the reasons why I do not.

Best of luck getting this resolved.
 
RevDevil said:
The seller is responsible for making sure the package arrives safe and sound to its intended destination. You are on the hook until the person receives the item, that is when the responsibility ends for only the "shipping" aspect. If anyone doubts this, check with Paypal and their requirements and they will confirm.

Now, degrees in mechanical engineering are nice, but they do not directly and completely translate to knives. That is a pointless comment to make and has no bearing on this matter at all. We have rocket scientists that are part of the forums, and they don't all know how or care to disassemble and reassemble some knives correctly. Before the mods get all up in this, you both need to talk privately and get this issue resolved.
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I tried to talk to him privately and he has refused to offer a refund. I am just warning everyone about him. I should have known something to good to be true, like how fast he was willing to sell a Shirogorov for $700. It's in Paypal's hands now, I will update with what they say when its over
 
Karda said:
1) As a seller, you are responsible to deliver paid for goods as any seller is. You are responsible until it reaches the buyer.
Putting it in the mail does not absolve you of this responsibility. If you fail to insure the knife and it becomes lost, you are responsible to refund the buyer and take the loss for your negligence in not protecting yourself or the buyer.

2) As a buyer, you are responsible to report problems immediately to the seller and try to work out a solution in an amicable manner. This does not include any modification, tinkering, cleaning or maintenance of your item. Once you've tinkered with the item, it is yours.
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This is absolutely correct. This reminds me of a similar instance where a guy bought a high dollar item, didn't understand what he got and rather than it back he decided to drown the knife in oil. The seller agreed to take the item back, even after the tinkering was done and had no idea of the oil bath.
 
Fourboysplus said:
It's very common for people shipping across boarder to make sure the other party knows they are not responsible for lost/damaged goods.
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It is only a somewhat plausible excuse when shipping to places like Russia, Ukraine etc....and other places where the countries postal system is known to be a problem.
 
SaintlyBrees said:
FWIW, you might find this thread interesting.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-all-the-Flakes-lately?highlight=Fourboysplus

Always a good idea to check this forum before buying from anyone. Sometimes things pop up here that aren't immediately obvious in iTrader. Read what other folks have said and then make your own decision. But unless you have done business with someone before research is always a good idea. Especially on a high priced item.

Great move with PP. I never gift anyone for several reason, but transactions like this is one of the reasons why I do not.

Best of luck getting this resolved.
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Thanks for finding this. The guy is a flake. Its pretty obvious now he wanted to get rid of a knife and found a naive buyer, me. Hopefully Paypal will take care of this.
 
You offered $700, I didn't get many bites right away and got back to you a few days later. I knew I was loosing a little on the sale but that's how the knife hobby is. Some you make a little some you lose a little. I wanted to sell to find another.
 
Please note: YOU offered $700 to ME. Don't make it sound like I was TRYING to pawn it off cheap. My asking price was ~800.
 
Also please note the only reason I asked for gift was to maximize the amount I would get as I was selling the knife for an already low price of $700.

It was NOT to try and scam you.
 
You two should try and sort this out. I do not think paypal is going to issue a refund as you admit to taking the knife apart. Why tinker with a $700 purchase if it is not satisfactory when it arrives?
 
If you say you have little knife experience, why did you disassemble a $700 knife?
 
CJZ said:
If you say you have little knife experience, why did you disassemble a $700 knife?
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Revolverrodger said:
Pittknife should NOT have disassembled the knife.
For all I know he messed it up doing that.
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I agree, however, isn't it just two washers and a pivot to reassemble a Shirogov?... Pretty hard to bung that up IMO and it should go back together no problem and be able to hit the sweet spot of centering/flipping action easily as it's a high quality knife.

The fact that Fourboysplus aka Chad isn't willing to work with Pittknife on this at all speaks volumes.

Also: http://forums.watchuseek.com/f63/steer-clear-fourboysplus-aka-chad-mullins-read-722095.html Too many pieces of evidence scattered about saying not to deal with this guy.
 
I am not willing to work with him as the knife was 100% flawless when I shipped, They buyer then choose to take it apart etc, I don't feel this is my issue nor have I done ANYTHING wrong!!!
 
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