Fourboysplus is a horrible seller, sent bad knife and will not take it back

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@Pellel2 Please post the email. I NEVER stated I have two identical knife. I had 3 Shirogorovs and was selling two. One was G10 and the other two had full ti with different milling patterns hence the higher price.
Also keep in mind trade value is typically higher than cash value.

Please post the email where I stated I had two of the same knife.
 
Apologies but without certain proof the knife was centered and did NOT flip before tinkering and modding it's impossible to say there really was anything wrong with it.

All we see at this moment is the result of your tinkering.

Also it is very reasonable to not accept liability after leaving country of origin when dealing internationally. Loss, misdelivery, or damage via Courier is the least likely situation. Most likely situation is customs seizing, specially for knives.

When I do international I will ONLY hold liability from Me to the customs. What happens during customs, or after customs is no longer my responsibility as I will not become a lawyer, and international shipping logistics expert to sell a knife (know about countries' laws and study about shipping/transportation/customs statistics).
 
Thank you as well!!!


Luis G. said:
Apologies but without certain proof the knife was centered and did NOT flip before tinkering and modding it's impossible to say there really was anything wrong with it.

All we see at this moment is the result of your tinkering.

Also it is very reasonable to not accept liability after leaving country of origin when dealing internationally. Loss, misdelivery, or damage via Courier is the least likely situation. Most likely situation is customs seizing, specially for knives.

When I do international I will ONLY hold liability from Me to the customs. What happens during customs, or after customs is no longer my responsibility as I will not become a lawyer, and international shipping logistics expert to sell a knife (know about countries' laws and study about shipping/transportation/customs statistics).
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I sold another a few days ago for $920cdn shipped, $800usd if no problem.

Your price of $450 is the same as buying from a dealer.

We are close but...

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On Jun 13, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Pedro A Blanco <pellel2@gmail.com> wrote:


That's on June 13. I can't post the pics attached to the email but it was the G10 inlay shirogorov exactly the same as the one posted by the OP. "Another" refers to an G10 inlay shirogorov. I was explaining to him there were others like this knife being sold for around $700. Fourboysplus DO NOT play with the words in the email saying you meant something else because we were CLEARLY talking about G10 inlay shirogorov. You said "another" G10 inlay you sold few days before talking to me. I can forward the entire email to the MODS so they can confirm the context of the email. In no way you ever mentioned you sold any other shirogorov but the "another" G10 inlay. If you meant back "another" kind of shirogorov why were you deceiving me on trade values and such? It does not make sense thus it proves you were talking about the "other" G10 identical shirogorov.
 
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Fourboysplus said:
I am not worried about "the heat" I am present, posting and defending myself and position. Tell me what you'd do in this situation, consider that you know 100% you sent the knife in flawless condition, what would you do now?? Please enlighten me, and I don't mean that in an ignorant way.
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Well, yeah, you are worried about the heat or you would not have posted:

Fourboysplus said:
Mods shouldn't this thread be opened to simply the buyer and seller?
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Trying to shut down the comments of others here speaks volumes.

Now, to your question...

What would I do in your situation, while knowing that the knife left my hands in perfect condition? Simple, I would tell the person to return the knife - even if he/she had monkeyed with it. Then I would take pics and share with the community. A $700 knife just isn't worth the negative hit, especially when I could spend far less and get it fixed. My reputation in this community is far, far too important to me for me to want anyone to doubt my standards.

But in your case, past issues and ways that you conduct yourself (see links and post #54 above) leave what you have said in doubt with many of us. I don't know that it left you in perfect condition as you suggest. Nor do I know the truth of the OP. But you have a background that the OP does not. So there is enough doubt to make some of us wary about doing business with you in the future. That is exactly why I would tell the individual to return the knife and keep my reputation here as clean as a whistle. That reputation is much more important to me than a few bucks.
 
The "other" knife that was sold was a Mod 95 with bearings, full ti and milled scale. Sold to another BF member!!!!


Pellel2 said:
I sold another a few days ago for $920cdn shipped, $800usd if no problem.

Your price of $450 is the same as buying from a dealer.

We are close but...

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On Jun 13, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Pedro A Blanco <pellel2@gmail.com> wrote:


That's on June 13. I can't post the pics attached to the email but it was the G10 inlay shirogorov exactly the same as the one posted by the OP. "Another" refers to an G10 inlay shirogorov. I was explaining to him there were others like this knife being sold for around $700. Fourboysplus DO NOT play with the words in the email saying you meant something else because we were CLEARLY talking about G10 inlay shirogorov. You said "another" G10 inlay you sold few days before talking to me. I can forward the entire email to the MODS so they can confirm the context of the email.
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Fourboysplus said:
The "other" knife that was sold was a Mod 95 with bearings, full ti and milled scale. Sold to another BF member!!!!
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If that's the case then you were deceived in your statements about the trade value of your G10 inlay. If you had ever EVER mentioned that MOD95 in any way in the emails we would have done the trade and that would have been a different conversation. At the beginning of that email you also said this


Hey,

The knife is S35VN and is on washers. I've owned 4 and much prefer the washers over the bearings. What value do you place on the Zaan?


You really need to get your story straight my friend, stand up and do the right thing.
 
Luis G. said:
Apologies but without certain proof the knife was centered and did NOT flip before tinkering and modding it's impossible to say there really was anything wrong with it.

All we see at this moment is the result of your tinkering.

Also it is very reasonable to not accept liability after leaving country of origin when dealing internationally. Loss, misdelivery, or damage via Courier is the least likely situation. Most likely situation is customs seizing, specially for knives.

When I do international I will ONLY hold liability from Me to the customs. What happens during customs, or after customs is no longer my responsibility as I will not become a lawyer, and international shipping logistics expert to sell a knife (know about countries' laws and study about shipping/transportation/customs statistics).
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This is where I am on this sale. I won't address the static about other topics and discussions and accounts.

I think if I bought a $700 knife used from another member from another country and it wasn't delivered as I expected, photos and pms would probably happen before taking apart. That doesn't seem like it happened.

as a seller, I would not guarantee anything against loss past the mailbox because of the chances of problems with customs, but I would take care of issues so long as the buyer explained what didn't meet expectations (i.e. I describe as LNIB but buyer disagrees) or if I misrepresented the knife.

I think this discussion is also helpful along with the buyers and sellers feedback. For people buying or selling from either of those involved, it is insightful.
 
MOST IMPORTANTLY: can anyone suggest a reputable knifemaker, pimper who is in the PA area or closest to that location. The Seller and I would like to find someone local to put their hands on the knife and sort out whatever physical issues have risen.
 
Fourboysplus said:
MOST IMPORTANTLY: can anyone suggest a reputable knifemaker, pimper who is in the PA area or closest to that location. The Seller and I would like to find someone local to put their hands on the knife and sort out whatever physical issues have risen.
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If this is true I take my hat off to you sir, well done!!
 
Fourboysplus said:
Lol, really!! This is not an admission to doing something wrong but rather an "amicable" potential solution that will have myself and the buyer happy in the end.
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I can't speak for anyone else, but trying to find a solution that works for you both is all I ever wanted to see. Hopefully you and the buyer can do that.
 
XXXXXXXXXXX - [removed, as he's been banned]

Is in PA and I think he's worked on Shirogorov's before....one of Smokeeater908's if I recall

On his website he's not taking any pimping jobs...but maybe he'll take a repair job?


EDIT : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otoi0SuK4

So it's not a flipper version...but he's a talented knife maker / pimper and has made his own flippers.

Fourboysplus said:
MOST IMPORTANTLY: can anyone suggest a reputable knifemaker, pimper who is in the PA area or closest to that location. The Seller and I would like to find someone local to put their hands on the knife and sort out whatever physical issues have risen.
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I would like to find a knife maker or pimper that can evaluate this knife. It's a ver simple knife with 2 screws, a set screw and 2 standoffs, hard to not out that back together, especially as it is on washers.

If anyone knows a person that can evaluate this in pa area please let me know, I will take it there this weekend. I did a search but couldn't find any knife stores.

I'll hold off on further comment until I can find someone to evaluate. All I want is a working shirogorov, I would not touch a knife if it was flipping well.
 
I don't know how many times it has been said here, a deal is not a deal until both parties are happy. maybe the seller should take the knife back and save his reputation. Losing it over $700 is silly. If I were the Buyer and got a knife that would not flip the first thing I would do is make adjustments. If it still did not flip smoothly I would return the knife. All the Buyer did was try to rectify an issue and when he discovered he could not he wants to undo the deal. Sounds fair to me.

I find it hard to believe a 100% perfect knife arrived because if it did the Buyer would have been overjoyed!!!
 
wolfmann601 said:
I don't know how many times it has been said here, a deal is not a deal until both parties are happy. maybe the seller should take the knife back and save his reputation. Losing it over $700 is silly. If I were the Buyer and got a knife that would not flip the first thing I would do is make adjustments. If it still did not flip smoothly I would return the knife. All the Buyer did was try to rectify an issue and when he discovered he could not he wants to undo the deal. Sounds fair to me.

I find it hard to believe a 100% perfect knife arrived because if it did the Buyer would have been overjoyed!!!
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I agree up until the point where you start tinkering with the knife. Touch it with a screwdriver and as far as I'm concerned the deal is done.

Shirogorov knives use special screws. Did the buyer had the proper tooling available to remove the screws without some cosmetic effect? Dunno. Maybe his eyesight isn't as good and he doesn't see the little nicks the screwdriver put into it. Would I want a microtech back after somebody had opened it up with improvised tools? Heck no. You tinker, you own it. Inspect and decide whether to keep it or not before you crack it open.

You wouldn't tinker on somebody else's property, would you? That would be rude. Once you start tinkering with it, you're tinkering with your own property. It's yours.
 
Thank you!!!!


DrFish said:
I agree up until the point where you start tinkering with the knife. Touch it with a screwdriver and as far as I'm concerned the deal is done.

Shirogorov knives use special screws. Did the buyer had the proper tooling available to remove the screws without some cosmetic effect? Dunno. Maybe his eyesight isn't as good and he doesn't see the little nicks the screwdriver put into it. Would I want a microtech back after somebody had opened it up with improvised tools? Heck no. You tinker, you own it. Inspect and decide whether to keep it or not before you crack it open.

You wouldn't tinker on somebody else's property, would you? That would be rude. Once you start tinkering with it, you're tinkering with your own property. It's yours.
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Fourboysplus said:
MOST IMPORTANTLY: can anyone suggest a reputable knifemaker, pimper who is in the PA area or closest to that location. The Seller and I would like to find someone local to put their hands on the knife and sort out whatever physical issues have risen.
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This is what I was looking for as well, this is a good path to go forward on.
 
Am I the only one who is curious as to the seller's original forum name? I don't care if your present name has 100% positive reviews... it's not a true representation of your selling history. I thought once you were banned it was for good. Not in this case? Or can the mods pick and choose who can come back?
 
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