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Jolipapa
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Clearly not made in France.
Too many pins and misaligned (3 on MiF), rounded bolster. Erratic translation (no link with the maker) and 420 steel, not employed for decades, been replaced by carbon XC75 or stainless 12C27 and 14C28.
Laguiole is not a patented trademark.
Product of France maybe not a lie, as they don't say what has been produced... usually used for food products, but not as precise as AOC, IGP, or Label France.
Midi-Pyrénées is vague, Aveyron would be more acute. Something like Boston and Atlantic shore...
A 50€ un', pins are correctly aligned.
The logo is a mere copy of Laguiole cuisson, which after many trials with the city of Laguiole can use the name, except for knives. (and does not produce in France).
"hexagon" is a nickname for France, based roughly the boundaries. Slanted hexagon is b... s...
Too many pins and misaligned (3 on MiF), rounded bolster. Erratic translation (no link with the maker) and 420 steel, not employed for decades, been replaced by carbon XC75 or stainless 12C27 and 14C28.
Laguiole is not a patented trademark.
Product of France maybe not a lie, as they don't say what has been produced... usually used for food products, but not as precise as AOC, IGP, or Label France.
Midi-Pyrénées is vague, Aveyron would be more acute. Something like Boston and Atlantic shore...
A 50€ un', pins are correctly aligned.
The logo is a mere copy of Laguiole cuisson, which after many trials with the city of Laguiole can use the name, except for knives. (and does not produce in France)."hexagon" is a nickname for France, based roughly the boundaries. Slanted hexagon is b... s...
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I'm curious too.
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I smell a Rat.....
My brief 'researches' find that they are a young dynamic wholesaler within the cooking and dining industry...fun and innovative products.... Usual marketing puff BS I suppose, nothing wrong in it but sincerity ??
The 'Laguiole' as
Jolipapa
; who is remember FRENCH and a knife connoisseur; raises some red flags. And 22€ ?? Come on, is a Dutch company going to import Lags from France as a wholesaler, sell them on to agents/shops who then sell them to the public for 22€ ?? Yeah...
They come in three woods, you can even make your own Lag as an ideal gift from parts...all from France eh? But which France....?
They sell a lot of kitchen gear accessories, steak knife sets, cheese knife sets in boxes all very cheap. According to amazon France the kitchen stuff is all fabriqué en Chine. Some of the boxes instead of having Produit de France in the 'certificate' have www.styledevie.nl so perhaps somebody changed the authenticity. Anyway, they're just telling you that it is an authentic style de vie Laguiole which is a brand name. I e-mailed a retailer in Netherlands asking for proof of the origin of these knives, let's see if I get an answer.
I very much doubt that these knives have even been in France still less made there but if I'm wrong OK and incredible but good.
I think there might be serious consequences from French law if these are masquerading as French products, but if most of the boxes have the www.nl marking then it's just a nice certificate of niceness of our brand. One of the brands is called Forged.....
My brief 'researches' find that they are a young dynamic wholesaler within the cooking and dining industry...fun and innovative products.... Usual marketing puff BS I suppose, nothing wrong in it but sincerity ??
The 'Laguiole' as
Jolipapa
; who is remember FRENCH and a knife connoisseur; raises some red flags. And 22€ ?? Come on, is a Dutch company going to import Lags from France as a wholesaler, sell them on to agents/shops who then sell them to the public for 22€ ?? Yeah...They come in three woods, you can even make your own Lag as an ideal gift from parts...all from France eh? But which France....?
They sell a lot of kitchen gear accessories, steak knife sets, cheese knife sets in boxes all very cheap. According to amazon France the kitchen stuff is all fabriqué en Chine. Some of the boxes instead of having Produit de France in the 'certificate' have www.styledevie.nl so perhaps somebody changed the authenticity. Anyway, they're just telling you that it is an authentic style de vie Laguiole which is a brand name. I e-mailed a retailer in Netherlands asking for proof of the origin of these knives, let's see if I get an answer.
I very much doubt that these knives have even been in France still less made there but if I'm wrong OK and incredible but good.
I think there might be serious consequences from French law if these are masquerading as French products, but if most of the boxes have the www.nl marking then it's just a nice certificate of niceness of our brand. One of the brands is called Forged.....
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Anyone dedicated enough to sign up on a knife forum shouldn't bother with cheap foreign imports and get the real thing. Many, many genuine laguioles have been made over the years, and vintage pieces are available at attractive prices. I got this one for less than the cost of a tank of gas.
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Yes, it makes no sense whatsoever to even assemble a 22€ (and this is the reseller price!) Laguiole in France!
Opinel can do it 'cause it's a simple knife, their production is in huge numbers & largely automatised.
Cognet (makers of Douk-Douk) can do it 'cause producing a Douk-Douk is much simpler/faster than a Laguiole.
My 2 cents
Opinel can do it 'cause it's a simple knife, their production is in huge numbers & largely automatised.
Cognet (makers of Douk-Douk) can do it 'cause producing a Douk-Douk is much simpler/faster than a Laguiole.
My 2 cents
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I got a reply from the company.
I will say that I respect a company that will reply quickly to sensitive questions.
The reply was
"I have looked at a product in our warehouse, but there appears to be a different text in the product than in the photo sent.
For completeness, I have attached the photo with our text.
Our product is made in China and all our products can be found at .... "
The picture that they sent to me is:
The image that is shown with their product on various sites is:
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Well this is what I pointed out in post No.1745 some boxes have the www.nl and some produit de France. Well, Laguiole is a French product and yeah the box might be made in France...(seriously unlikely)
This is an attempt at deception I'd say. If it's the Chinese exporter or more likely the importer doing this it likely contravenes EU and French law. It's murky, as it is a genuine Laguiole Style de vie which is a Dutch brand mark... ( do you think a French company would call itself this?
) The unwary who want to buy into a 'lifestyle' thing as promoted by the website probably do think it's genuine French at the back of their minds. If it costs so little, there has to be a reason......
Maybe somebody should buy one and then have a pass around so we can assess the quality..it might be OK but it aint the real thang.
This is an attempt at deception I'd say. If it's the Chinese exporter or more likely the importer doing this it likely contravenes EU and French law. It's murky, as it is a genuine Laguiole Style de vie which is a Dutch brand mark... ( do you think a French company would call itself this?
) The unwary who want to buy into a 'lifestyle' thing as promoted by the website probably do think it's genuine French at the back of their minds. If it costs so little, there has to be a reason......Maybe somebody should buy one and then have a pass around so we can assess the quality..it might be OK but it aint the real thang.
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Generally the more French in the sayin' the less in the box. Same for flags, etc.Well this is what I pointed out in post No.1745 some boxes have the www.nl and some produit de France. Well, Laguiole is a French product and yeah the box might be made in France...(seriously unlikely)
This is an attempt at deception I'd say. If it's the Chinese exporter or more likely the importer doing this it likely contravenes EU and French law. It's murky, as it is a genuine Laguiole Style de vie which is a Dutch brand mark... ( do you think a French company would call itself this?
Maybe somebody should buy one and then have a pass around so we can assess the quality..it might be OK but it aint the real thang.
There are many labels ensuring a genuine origin. In the case of "produit de France" it is clearly a deception. Like Danish camembert...
It's not stamped "made in France" or "manufactured in France" it's a "produit de France", it means "item from France" or "souvenir from France", nothing
else.
But you know, even if some are stamped made in France, sometimes it means "screwed in France", the best example are the Corsica knives "le berger" or "le Bastion", they receives kit ready to be mounted.
("le berger" stamped on the blade is a brand, but a Berger is also a frequent model handmade in corsica, rustic but really made by Corsica knivesmakers)
I will prepare a small text about the "Laguiole" adventures since the 90's.
else.
But you know, even if some are stamped made in France, sometimes it means "screwed in France", the best example are the Corsica knives "le berger" or "le Bastion", they receives kit ready to be mounted.
("le berger" stamped on the blade is a brand, but a Berger is also a frequent model handmade in corsica, rustic but really made by Corsica knivesmakers)
I will prepare a small text about the "Laguiole" adventures since the 90's.
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Hello- Just want to introduce myself and let you know I am enjoying this thread very much and learning a great deal. So much knowledge on this thread, thank you for sharing. I have always liked knives although I do not know much about them. In advance of our recent trip to France I started reading up on French knives and went down a French regional rabbit hole (willingly) which took me to Thiers, the Thiers Museum of Cutlery, the Fontenille-Pataud factory and every Coutellerie I could find in Provence and Languedoc. I am completely caught up in the tradition, the craftsmanship and the romance of French regional knives. I did manage to sneak some lovely knives into my bags for the trip home with only minimal interference from my wife. I now know much more now about knives than when I was there so I must get back there ASAP!
Anyway, thanks again for sharing, I have to get back to reading all 88 pages of this thread.
Cheers,
Gregg from California
Anyway, thanks again for sharing, I have to get back to reading all 88 pages of this thread.
Cheers,
Gregg from California
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Welcome to the "porch"!