Friendly reminder for tonights GW sale

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OK, Skunk. Here we go:

I’d like to present my views in terms of a proposal. I’m not interested in complaining without offering a solution. And while I’m certain others could come up with a better solution, this is the best I can do for now.

The problem as I see it is that a number of people feel that they are not being given a fair and equitable opportunity to purchase knives from the BCS. These people believe, rightly or wrongly, that the activities of resellers are to blame. The resellers buy up all the available merchandise before individual purchasers have a chance to get any. As a result, individuals are forced to purchase the knives they want from resellers on the secondary market, often at highly-inflated prices.

IMHO, the best way to eliminate the problem would be to reinstate the pre-order system, but with a twist. I’d recommend that you list every knife you sell and every possible combination and permutation of each knife. (This is PRECISELY the way Busse sells knives from their web site today.) Then create an order form and allow people to pre-order knives based on their exact preferences. Preferences would include finish, handle material/color, blade thickness, etc. Those who place pre-orders would have to make a deposit of the full purchase price for the number of knives they order. They could cancel their pre-orders at any time and obtain a full refund of their deposits.

When the number of pre-orders for a particular knife reaches a critical mass determined solely by you, you’d have Jerry create a run of knives that fill the outstanding orders PLUS, and here’s the twist, an additional amount. The additional amount could vary, but its purpose would be to continue to sell the remainder as you have in the past, i.e., first-come, first-served, no order limit. So, for example, let’s say you get orders for 50 Orange Wardens and that’s your critical mass. At that time, you could have Jerry run, say, 100 Orange Wardens. When they arrive, you’d fill the pre-orders first and hang onto the rest until the pre-ordered knives had time to arrive at their destinations. Then you’d let everyone know that you’re going to have a ‘ganza on Orange Wardens and let the tackle fly.

What are the advantages to this approach. First, no one could complain about not being able to buy knives from the BCS at store pricing. As long as you received enough knives to fill their orders, they’d receive theirs. Second, you’d have the use of the money from their deposits until the knives were shipped. Depending upon how long it took to fill their orders, interest income earned from outstanding deposits could amount to a tidy little piece of change. Third, reseller activity would slow to a crawl. Only resellers with more money than sense would place large pre-orders for specific knives without knowing when those knives might arrive. Fourth, it would broaden your customer base. Keep in mind that people who resell knives they purchase from you on the secondary market aren’t your friends. They’re your competition. And fifth, and this is absolutely precious, nothing would have changed from the perspective of the resellers. They'd have absolutely no idea how many pre-orders you might have filled yourself. So for a while at least, they'd continue to purchase knives off the 'ganza for resale thinking that they had a market to sell to. You'd not only be able to continue to sell to your resellers, you'd sell direct to their customers as well.

Well there you have it. Do with it as you will. And thanks again for being willing to hear me out.


You keep saying "that a number of people feel that they are not being given a fair and equitable opportunity to purchase knives from the BCS", what is that number, 3, 5, 10 people? It is such a small number of people that it is not really worth changing anything for. It is the majority of the consumers, not the minority of the consumers that will influence a company in their business decisions.

I'm sure Skunk will come along and explain it all to you, but from what I understand, he offers for sale what Busse Combat gives him.
 
Interesting,

I Supposition that:

Skunk Buys the knife hoping to sell the knife, not Knowing what will Sell out in 10 minutes and what will sit there week after week on the shelf.

Look at how long the AKs and the War boars have been up.

He gets a special Run of knives, also taking the risk that they will not sell, the New Game Warden does not even begin to look like the Busse knives we have come to expect.

I am Proud Of the Way Scott has handled this, since only he gets to market this special Run he could have just priced them to where the maket got stable, instead he tell all the folks on this forum when the knives will go up and lets it be first come first served.

Look at the Busse adds over the years, there was no advertizing for the new Game Warden, it caught on just from this forum, Skunk got lucky this time, it could have been the wrong knife at the wrong time.

Thank you Scott,

That is all.
 
actually, jerry sets the prices, not skunk. im not sure of their other arrangements, whether skunk buys them, or sends them the money from sales, or whatever.
 
It is such a small number of people that it is not really worth changing anything for.
How are you deriving your facts?

I'm sure Skunk will come along and explain it all to you, but from what I understand, he offers for sale what Busse Combat gives him.
That could change the scenario somewhat, randucci. But if Skunk has at least a general idea of what he's going to receive, the sales model I'm suggesting should still apply.
 
"IMHO, the best way to eliminate the problem would be to reinstate the pre-order system, but with a twist." .......................

BURN THEM!!!!!!!! :D :D :thumbup: :D :D
 
Originally Posted by randucci:
It is such a small number of people that it is not really worth changing anything for.


How are you deriving your facts?

I derive my facts from reading this forum everyday and seeing only a small (few) number of people (out of the hundreds or thousands of Busse collectors) complaining about the BCS selling practices not being fair. How many people did you count that are not satisified with the BCS selling practices and where did you get your facts? :confused:
 
Look everybody. I am NOT attacking Skunk. I'm simply having a dialog with the man. If my suggestion is way off base, and I'm perfectly willing to admit that as a possibility, then I'm sure he'll straighten me out. In the interim, you don't need to defend him. I'm sure he's perfectly capable of doing that all by himself.
 
Can we lower the emotion and approach this objectively.

Speaking only for myself, I am not whining about not getting a GW or not scoring on a ganza. I made that clear in my first post. I am not interested in buying a GW, and my budget limits how far I can participate in any ganza. I have scored in some ganzas, lost in others, and not participated in some. Life is full of disappointments.

I am not criticizing Busse or the store on how they do business. That's their business. I appreciate the service and value they pass our way. I tried to make that clear from the get go. I have no problem with purchasing from Busse and the store.

Nor do I condemn the true Busse enthusiast/collector that buys more than one knife. They perform a service. Down the road I have a chance of scoring a mint knife on the secondary market that was released before I became interested in Busses. Heck if I could I'd buy more than one. 2 is good, a user and a back up, 3 is better, a user, a saver and 1 just in case - really 10 or 100 woud be best though.

What cranks me off however is the people that buy in bulk and immediately flip them at a mark up. This is profiteering. It hurts the new and littlle piggies. Simple as that. While eliminating these type of opportunists who seem attracted to Busses only for the profit potential may not guarantee everyone a knife, it could not hurt the situation. I am firmly convinced that the odds of any of us acquiring a knife from the store will be increased, even if only infinitesimaly.

Lastly let me say that I see no evil in the way the store is set up. It was set up for the majority of us. Its the few that have abused the process that need attention. Skunk is not to my way of thinking to blame for this situation. Unfortunately though, aside from a boycott of the offending persons, it would seem that Skunk has, more than we do, some power to address the problem. How much power I do not know because I have never run an online business and I'm sure there must be some agreement between Busse and the store that plays into this. That is perhaps why pressure is put on Skunk. But I recognize that the present abuses probably aggravate Skunk as well. After all the money being left on the table is being grabbed up by someone else. There is no profit to Skunk or Busse on that.

If I were forced to come up with a plan I'd suggest some kind of collectors' club witrh dues. I'd rather pay a premium to Busse or the store than to some opportunist who pressed F5 at the right time.

The last thing I'll say is that every disgruntled newbie that leaves in frustration is perhaps a customer lost to Busse. Jerry probably won't hurt for that, but what business wants to turn away new customers?
 
How many people did you count that are not satisified with the BCS selling practices and where did you get your facts? :confused:
Many have come and gone, randucci. They get tired of beating their heads against the wall. But just because they've stopped communicating doesn't mean they've disappeared. They've just given up.

This communication with Skunk is pretty much my last gasp as well. I'm sure that will come as a delight to some. ;)
 
I'm not accusing anyone of anything.

Your accusations are loud and clear with every post you make.

From Rat Chat:

...I had no idea that SRKW was going to effectively put themselves out of business. Anybody know what happened? Did they run out of steel or out of desire to serve their clientele? Or are they all so filthy rich at this point that they just don't care if or when they ever make any more knives?

A substantial and unfulfilled demand appears to exist for Swamp Rat Knives and SRKW is not stepping up to meet it. Not only that, they seem to be doing everything possible to DISCOURAGE potential purchasers from buying their knives by making it extremely difficult to locate their storefront. And yet Eric insists that they're doing everything possible to sell their products.


This one, taken from the Yard forum, spells it out. ...same conversation, different place.


bld522 said:
But the last thing Jerry seems to care about is whether you or anyone else has a fair chance to get them.

I'll ask again. How is this system unfair?
 
First come first serve, that is the way the world is ran. If you could just go down to your local Walmart or Kmart and buy a Busse knife, it wouldn't be the same quality or be very special, it would be just like any other cheap mass produced knife.


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Take your best shot, 360joules. But I am not going to engage you right now. We can have this discussion later if you like.

You keep saying that and then bringing the discussion up elsewhere.

[Hey Hammy, can I have permission to use the banned smiley just this once? :) ]
 
For what it's worth, I like the way things are now. We all take our chances. You win some, you lose some. If it was all pre-orders then how is it different (barring the Game Wardens) from ordering directly from Busse?

Jerry likes it (or he wouldn't be doing it.)

Skunk likes it (or he wouldn't be doing it.)

I like it. (I know. Who cares?) ;)

The present system has one nice side effect: A certain camraderie is built between buyers who "take care" of another Busse faithful by acting as a proxy buyer and setting them up with a knife, at cost, from a multiple order. I've acted as proxy (several times) and been the recipient as well. :thumbup:
 
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