Friendly reminder for tonights GW sale

[Justabuyer]

This thread could not have taken a better turn if it was planned!
Nothing like a hottie to cool the savage beasts.

Thanks to all that commented and I have a good understanding of the points of view on each side of this issue.

I was never looking for a rule change. Just wanted a calm dialogue about the rule that is already in place.

I have learned a lot. I hope the greedy bastards on the other side of this did too.

Nice job last night fellas.

 

[Hogwash]

[color]T&A talk doesn't belong here, take it to the W&C[/color]

 

[Wicked]

I had a female associate and she was enhanced by nature like that girl.
Mann was it tought to keep the eyes straight when talking to her
I guess she enjoyed it or why did she wear catsuite like shirts all the time

 

[bld522]

I'm 100% with JustABuyer on this one.:grumpy:

As am I. But the entire system would not work if it weren't for the fact that it's supported on the supplier's side. So we can wail and moan until the cows come home. But until Skunk decides to change the way he sells his knives, and so far he's shown no inclination to do that, nothing will change.

BCS . . . love it or leave it!

 

[metallicat]

I have no dog in this race. I edc a heavy duty and am quite satisfied with it. But I have been watching what’s been going on with a great deal of disgust. I am writing not because I have the ANSWER. I don’t, but I think there is a lot of denial going on that there is no problem. We need to recognize that there is a problem before we can solve it.

This issue is not about economics it’s about profiteering.

It’s like the sole supplier of product “x” advertised a sale on product “x”, and someone bought all the stock, drove it a mile down the road, set up a stand and sold product “x” at inflated prices (and remember there is no other source for product “x”). How’s about that? Would that piss you off?

This is not about Busse or the store. As far as I am concerned they both provide a service/value, and charge a reasonable price for the service/value given. I do not begrudge them a fair profit. IMHO they have shown a restraint in their pricing for which I am grateful. I have been able to purchase more than one fbm due to that. Subject to the limits imposed by their competition, they could raise their prices till demand equaled supply and we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Capitalism right?

This is about asshats who by chance are able to buy in great quantities and turn around and sell it at marked up prices. They have added no value or service, but are mere opportunists. – taking advantage of the twin facts that supply is limited/finite and that the initial prices set by Busse or the store are reasonable…i. e. less than the maximum that demand, especially in the face of very limited supply, could sustain.

Any argument that these opportunists add something to the process is facetious, i.e. the argument that they make it possible for persons not able to buy one from the store to get one on the secondary market. I think the majority of us can understand that we may not be fortunate enough to get the opportunity to buy every knife that comes out of Busse or the store, but what is galling to most of us is to have to pay a premium to these opportunists, who by their bulk purchases reduce the chance for others to buy. It is not whether they are “dealers” on BFC or sell them on ebay that is the point of contention.

Lately it seems I have seen many more who apparently view Busses as investments or opportunities to turn a quick profit. Most of us on this forum are knife enthusiasts. Unlike say photography buffs who buy expensive equipment to take better photographs or photographs that could not be taken without the particular equipment, there is an element of collecting involved in this knife hobby. After all can any of us really use the tens or hundreds of knives we’ve accumulated? We all hope that our collections appreciate over time, whether it be a collection of stamps, coins, or knives. I’ve never sold a knife, but I can understand people that do when they tire of a knife, need to finance other knife purchases, fall upon hard times, run out of space etc., etc. I can also understand people who are interested if the knife will appreciate in value. After all many of us have rationalized buying a knife, upon the basis that if dissatisfied we can recoup the cost upon resale. Resale value is often touted as a reason to buy, even if we never have any intention of reselling. This is all understandable, but it is a far cry from buying up all the product and turning around and selling it at marked up prices. In one for sale thread alone I counted 20 + knives, multiple knives in each flavor of GW. I think that over time this opportunism will hurt Busse enthusiasts, either by discouraging them or by making the cost of the knives so prohibitively high

What is the solution? I for one won’t buy from these opportunists. (I wouldn’t sell to them either unless it was at an extremely marked up price) I will only buy on the secondary market from bona fide hogs that I over time have concluded are not opportunists. (Usually long time participants). I can only suggest that the store look at limits as to how much one can buy at any one time, or take pre-orders. Ok I’ve got my flame suit on, but while you are flaming me just ask yourself this: we each get the opportunity to buy a fantastic product at reasonable prices from Busse and the store, most of us are knife enthusiasts and appreciate this, is it fair for the few to take that opportunity away from us?

 

[bld522]

I can only suggest that the store look at limits as to how much one can buy at any one time, or take pre-orders.

+1. But I still think we're beating a dead horse.

 

[Str8Edg]

This is about asshats who by chance are able to buy in great quantities and turn around and sell it at marked up prices. They have added no value or service, but are mere opportunists.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

I've been saying that since I've got here. I'm so glad this has come up, cuz in isolated instances I've called other forumites out for doing it and got jumped all over. "That ain't cool man. No Regrets bro." Screw that, you, and the friggin pirate ship you sailed in on.

bld522, that smilie has been banned bro. None of us can use it. Please edit it out. See this sticky to avoid getting banned from here for using it:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=429092

 

[steelnut]

Lots of folks here seem to be missing one aspect of this issue. Busse Combat does not sell their knives to wholesalers to be sold in shops or internet knife stores at an inflated price. They sell directly to us. We all have the fair chance to get lucky. Any markup I have seen here is still less than at a knife store.

The aftermarket price of a knife is decided by us. It is capitalism in pure form. Your protest should be in the form of not buying it aftermarket until the price is acceptable. I have had no problems buying knives here at a resonable mark up.

If you could go get a cart full of them at Walmart, the fact is you would not want them. The only reason you want it is because it is scarce. You are all victims of a clever marketing ploy...

Why are you people trying to fix what is not broken? If you can't get behind the HOG perspective, then collect a BUCK!!!

 

[Justabuyer]

I hope people stop posting in this thread soon. It will only lead to hostility from this point on. Both perspectives on this idea have been COMPLETELY explored and forum members are free to govern their behavior as they see fit.

I suggest people move on with there lives and INFI gathering. I have a feeling this problem will be self policing for a good long while as awareness on this topic is very high..... obviously.

Can we talk about the girl some more?

 

[steelnut]

You are worried about hostility yet your last post mentions "Greedy Bastards":
Here to tell you that greedy bastards is the American way!!!

 

[bld522]

bld522, that smilie has been banned bro. None of us can use it. Please edit it out.

Thanks, man. Got it.

 

[bld522]

Both perspectives on this idea have been COMPLETELY explored and forum members are free to govern their behavior as they see fit.

You are 100% correct. But wishful thinking on your part will NEVER make this topic go away unless the moderators start banning people who discuss it. (And believe me, if we become vitriolic enough, that's exactly what they'll do!)

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The only person who can change the system is Skunk. If he likes it the way it is, and obviously he does, nothing is going to change. Period!

Life is a game. In order to have a game, something has to be more important than something else. Now if what "is" is more important than what "isn't", the game is over. So life is a game in which what "isn't" is more important than what "is".

LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLL!!!

Werner Erhard

 

[Tony G]

It just amazes me that this discussion happens after every Warden release.

I’ll say this, I’m not that smart and I’m not that fast and I have been able to get one to three of every Warden released. Last night things were actually kind of slow at the store and I could have easily run my cart up to 14 knives, I didn’t. (I actually took three for me and passed some on to friends.)

So based on my personal experience from back when the first Warden was released until now, it is no longer believable to me that with some diligence people can’t score from at least 30% if the Game Warden releases.

As far as resale I don’t really care what the price is, but if I was trying to buy one I simply wouldn’t reward a guy with a one week old $217 knife by paying him $300. Everyone that has been here for some time keeps telling everyone “DON’T BUY THE KNIFE”.

 

[alejandrino]

it's really very simple ! DON'T BUY ANY RESALE KNIVES UNTIL IT GOES DOWN TO A FAIR PRICE!! I'm sure prices will have to go down if there are no takers, unless hoarding is intended which is is ridiculous !!

 

[Justabuyer]

You are worried about hostility yet your last post mentions "Greedy Bastards":
Here to tell you that greedy bastards is the American way!!!

YES with two Great huge and clearly displayed right after it.

I am sure you just missed those somehow and are not actually trying to be a bedwetter.

 

[steelnut]

Sorry, new here. Didn't know it was OK to insult people as long as there was a smile after it.

My problem is with people like you that want to run something so bad that when it does not go their way they cry and moan and threaten and insult.

But hey, long as you smiled.......

 

[Justabuyer]

Sorry, new here. Didn't know it was OK to insult people as long as there was a smile after it.

My problem is with people like you that want to run something so bad that when it does not go their way they cry and moan and threaten and insult.

But hey, long as you smiled.......

Come on man Lighten up would ya. Just tring to have some fun in a thread that has gotten kinda old and grumpy.

 

[steelnut]

You are right, was just trying to get my oppinion out there.

My wife says the boobs are fake!!!

 

[metallicat]

"Lots of folks here seem to be missing one aspect of this issue. Busse Combat does not sell their knives to wholesalers to be sold in shops or internet knife stores at an inflated price. They sell directly to us. We all have the fair chance to get lucky. Any markup I have seen here is still less than at a knife store."

We don't miss the point. That is the point as I have said: they sell at a fair price not the max price and not a price that incorporates a bloated distribution process. I cannot help but feel the intent is to pass the savings on to us purchasers - an intent defeated by the greedy actions of a few. the chance for us to get "lucky" is reduced by people that buy in bulk for resale. So what is your popint? and how do you know that any markup you've seen is still less thatn at a knife store?

"The aftermarket price of a knife is decided by us. It is capitalism in pure form. Your protest should be in the form of not buying it aftermarket until the price is acceptable. I have had no problems buying knives here at a resonable mark up."

And isn't this what I said that I personally don't and won't buy from these opportunists.

"If you could go get a cart full of them at Walmart, the fact is you would not want them."

Irrelevant and untrue. If Walmart sold FBMs I would want, over time several in each combination. So what?

"The only reason you want it is because it is scarce." Untrue. That might be what attracts oppportunists, but I want what I want because I am an enthusiast - I don't only pursue rare or scarrce knives.


"You are all victims of a clever marketing ploy..." No, more accurately we are the victims of opportunists who have taken advantage of a marketing system in ways that seem to defeat the purpose of that very system - to provide a product to the Busse enthusiasts at a reasonable price. Do the math what is 20 times 50 ? 1000?

"Why are you people trying to fix what is not broken? If you can't get behind the HOG perspective, then collect a BUCK!!!"

It is broken. There is a problem. That is why this a recurring topic. Why don't you tell me what the HOG perspective is? Maybe I don't understand. Go ahead explain it to me. As for collecting Bucks - I got a better idea - why don't the opportunists go and collect dork ops instead of trying to profit off their fellow forumites.

 

[bld522]

We seem to be continuing to miss the point. The system as it exists today is based upon the way scarce Busse knives are sold. The way scarce Busse knives are sold lies in the hands of a single individual. If that individual is not willing to change the way scarce Busse knives are sold, nothing anyone says or does will change the outcome. And whether any of us feel that the outcome is fair or not is completely irrelevant.

If those of us who don't like the present situation banded together and opened our own Busse knife store with our own rules, things might change because competition would enter the scene. But in the absence of competition, the golden rule prevails . . . he who has the gold makes the rules.

Good night and good luck.