From Cattle Knife to Stockman!

[Gevonovich]

I don't know anything about Edge Mark other than I like this knife. I picked it up of the exchange a few years ago but don't remember who from. You can clearly see my research was extensive.

The other side

I know nothing about them either. Thanks for the photos !

 

[Modoc ED]

1940 - 1964 era Case 6347 Stockman

2015 manufactured Case 6347 Stockman

In spite of the number of years between the two knives above, the 2015 6347 is comparable to and somewhat surpasses the earlier 6347. When I received the newer stockman a few weeks ago, I really gave it the once over. I could not and can not find any thing wrong with the knife. I even compared it to some GEC Stockman knives I have and it is just as well built as the GECs. Perhaps even a bit better built than the GECs.

2011 manufactured GEC 538311 Stockman

 

[Modoc ED]

"Whittler" (and "sowbelly") are silly modern collector terms. Robeson did etch a cattle knife "whittler" but the modern use of the word means something entirely different. At least one brand had a pattern they described as "coping" that is similar to one (of many) patterns typically described as a whittler by present day collectors and manufacturers.

I'm sorry Jake but I can't quite agree with your statement as silly modern collector terms.

Back around 1925 and a period prior to that Remington made pattern number R4273 (and others) which they called "Sow belly". If you have it, take a look at "Remington Knives Past & Present - Identification & Value Guide" by Stewart and Ritchie, page 151. I do not have one nor do I have a picture of one.

In 2001 Tony Bose more or less resurrected the Sowbelly.

Here is a newer Case Sowbelly I received a few weeks ago.

 

[supratentorial]

Ed, It's a topic that I've discussed with Levine and consider him to be an authority. Are you sure the terms were used by Remington and not just the authors? Many authors use collector terms. Can you post a scan or photo? I have looked at Remington catalogs and have never seen the term used by Remington.

 

[Campbellclanman]

I don't know anything about Edge Mark other than I like this knife. I picked it up of the exchange a few years ago but don't remember who from. You can clearly see my research was extensive.

The other side

Lol - Edge Mark from memory was an Importer or could you say merchant?
They had knives made for them from Solingen Cutlers such as A Wingen and Linder I think? Quite possibly a collective of Cutler firms.
I used to own many 70’s “Bowie’s” that were stamped Edge mark that were indenticle to Wingens and the such.

 

[flatblackcapo]

Lol - Edge Mark from memory was an Importer or could you say merchant?
They had knives made for them from Solingen Cutlers such as A Wingen and Linder I think? Quite possibly a collective of Cutler firms.
I used to own many 70’s “Bowie’s” that were stamped Edge mark that were indenticle to Wingens and the such.

Thanks for the info, Duncan. See, I don't even need to try and I learn stuff here.

 

[singin50]

Here's a couple, Hammer Brand celluloid Cattle and a Bridge Cutlery Co. St. Louis celluloid Stock. Hard to believe but true, this Hammer Brand has never been used, basically NOS from the early 1930s. The Bridge Cutlery Co. St Louis probably around the early 1930s, this was a Shapleigh Hardware brand. No sunken joints on either.

 

[UnderDawgAl]

The wondeRful Build of these Knives is simply amazing, Camillus or Schrade perhaps, Sears so I am thinking Camillus, I think the pins tell the secret Calvin explained one day- cant find it right now.
A rather more plainly finished Knife- in the manner of Handle Material- if this was Stag, jigged Bone etc- people would climb over themselves to get such a Knife- The Walk and Talk is superb on this Knife- Tough Tank of a Knife...I like it very much!

I have one of these that I use all the time for outdoor work, in rotation with a Case 6375. This knife is essentially an 8OT, and it's made for heavy use. One of my favorites! Thanks for posting.

 

[blademan 13]

Beautiful stag on that Edge Mark. Nice knife!

 

[Campbellclanman]

Here's a couple, Hammer Brand celluloid Cattle and a Bridge Cutlery Co. St. Louis celluloid Stock. Hard to believe but true, this Hammer Brand has never been used, basically NOS from the early 1930s. The Bridge Cutlery Co. St Louis probably around the early 1930s, this was a Shapleigh Hardware brand. No sunken joints on either.

Stunning Knives Perry my friend! Man that Hammer Brand!!!! Love the Horn on the Bridge cut ( Hows those for Matchstrike pulls eh! )

 

[singin50]

Hey Duncan, great to see you again my friend! The Bridge Cut is a very smooth operating knife for it's age. In fact both are.

 

[rockman0]

A well loved Robeson pocket eze.

 

[Modoc ED]

Ed, It's a topic that I've discussed with Levine and consider him to be an authority. Are you sure the terms were used by Remington and not just the authors? Many authors use collector terms. Can you post a scan or photo? I have looked at Remington catalogs and have never seen the term used by Remington.

Jake - I'll grant you that the name "Sowbelly" doesn't appear anywhere in LVG4. < What I just said that I underlined is not true. "Sowbelly is in LVG4. Just another senior moment on my part. I'm not trying to start an argument and I'm not able at this time to scan a picture of page 151 of my reference into my computer but I'm inclined to believe the words Sow Belly were used by Remington. I'm not a Remington collector and can't prove it.

Here is a picture from a book describing a knife as a "Sowbelly" Doesn't prove anything just shows that it is called a sowbelly. NOT MY PICTURE

I'll do some more looking around. Again - not arguing, just trying to share information.

 

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[supratentorial]

Jake - I'll grant you that the name "Sowbelly" doesn't appear anywhere in LVG4. I'm not trying to start an argument and I'm not able at this time to scan a picture of page 151 of my reference into my computer but I'm inclined to believe the words Sow Belly were used by Remington. I'm not a Remington collector and can't prove it.

Here is a picture from a book describing a knife as a "Sowbelly" Doesn't prove anything just shows that it is called a sowbelly. NOT MY PICTURE

I'll do some more looking around. Again - not arguing, just trying to share information.

Hi Ed. No worries. Thank you for the photo. Authors use a lot of modern collector terms. They also paste these words on illustrations cut from old catalogs. Levine does use "sowbelly" and "hump back" in Levine's Guide but he will tell you that it is a modern collector term (quote below).

Sowbelly is a modern collector name.

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...owbelly-premier-cattle.1342623/#post-15435450

Here are some examples of unedited scans from real catalogs.

"cattle"

"serpentine stock pattern"

"cattle knife; serpentine pattern"

"cattle knife" etch on old Hammer brand knife that we now call by the modern name "sowbelly" and describe as a "stockman" with a big curve.