Some confusion about Endura Duck's comments and his wife's response follows;
If Endura was
not working as a Security Guard or in Loss Prevention, why was he handcuffing shoplifters? Why was he even in possession of them if he was not working Security/L.P. at the store? This seems a little wacky to me personally.
Now to shift gears and actually
defend Endura and straighten a couple more things out.
#1 Shoplifters by and large are
repeat offenders. They are
not the "girl next door who shoplifts something "once in awhile." At times, they go from store to store on a daily basis lifting to their heart's content. This is a
fact. Endura and his wife are correct.
#2 Shoplifters that have a few (or many) arrests
do in fact go ballistic when confronted with the reality that they are going to jail. Anyone that says differently either lives in an area with nice, compliant shoplifters or they do not know what they are talking about.
My Wife manages a pharmacy, I have multiple Court Notices on the refrigerator constantly, the criminals
do know where you live and they
are a threat. She has to go to Court for this, because the store has no L.P. in each store, so Management gets into things that in my opinion, they should not be getting into.
This is why the handcuffing "for your safety" is B.S., if my wife even
grabs someone and they have nothing on them, it is false arrest, she is arresting them and she can be charged if they have dumped the goods or she was wrong. When you are handcuffed, you are most certainly arrested as far as I am concerned.
Shoplifters
are violent. When you confront them, you are confronting someone who in all probability has multiple offenses and even
pending charges for the same crime, they are out on bond or probation for it. My wife and I have seen this countless times.
She has been spit on, punched, clawed and kicked, as 17 bottles of Advil are falling out of the shoplifter's jacket, the shoplifter is actively fighting and screaming, "You're a racist! Quit hitting me! I did not take anything!" Meanwhile, everything they stole is falling out of the custom-made shoplifting jackets they have made with hand-sewn pockets on the inside.
So...we had a guy in Maryland about 6-7 years ago who was working for Macy's, he worked L.P. for them. He had arrested a person for shoplifting and when the Court date came, the shoplifter was waiting for him and shot him dead. So, don't pick on people that work security or even more importantly, officially or unofficially as Loss Prevention. Shoplifters are not always your nephew who did something wrong once. They are often times professionals at what they do. And the more arrests they have on their record, the more dangerous and desperate they become. Don't defend the criminals, they are what they are. One guy working at a Wal-Mart in Maryland was stabbed to death by a shoplifter in the past few years as well, BTW. Don't defend the crooks guys.
A lot of Security Guards are on power trips as well, I have worked Part Time Security at times, and quite frankly, I have met more "Former Navy SEALs" working Part Time than I care to count. A lot of them want to be police very, very badly...some good, some not so good, like every other walk of life. But man, the former Green Berets, SEAL's, Marine Recon and Delta Force Security Guards really make me want to puke. "Hey, wait a minute, you could not get a job with the State Department or something?"
But you see, there is a fundamental flaw in Endura's logic and that of his wife.
KWheeler was not shoplifting. He was not stealing anything.
If you get caught in Maryland with bad tags, you get pulled over and after they find out you have no record or whatever, guess what?
You're walking home. You car is impounded. If the tags are out of date, same thing, no insurance, same thing. If they are
stolen, you are probably going to jail as that is
theft. Now, are you beginning to see a pattern? Swap tags on a vehicle, it is illegal, but most of the time, it is a far cry from stealing tags and then running them on your vehicle. Had Kwheeler stole the tags, he would have went to jail and rightly so.
So, how can you compare a common criminal, often a repeat criminal with violent tendencies when cornered...a shoplifter, with a guy that did something that he probably cannot even be arrested for!?!?!?
Worse yet,
he still showed them the permit.
There is a big difference between seeing someone stealing something and affecting a lawful arrest of the person and taking them into custody, and merely offering some B.S. excuse after they produced a piece of I.D. that showed they jumped through some serious hoops to have the CCW. This is not comparing apples to oranges, this is apples and Cadillacs folks. You are comparing someone who had some poor judgement or was lazy about vehicle tags with a damned shoplifter!
So, there was good and bad in all posts. Don't defend shoplifters, they are not angels.
Josh,
I am glad you received the hint and posted, some people do not know what they are asking for in this country and they are going to be some sad, sorry folks when they get what they are indirectly asking for.
And, the LEO's have not answered as to the lie of handcuffing someone, "for their own safety." Interesting.
