Fun on the way home last night

Royo, very good post. Nice to hear somebody being honest for once.
You're right that there is alot of people that complain, yet do nothing at all to change the situation.
If you read my previous posts, Royo you know where I am coming from. I am new to this country, having only been here about 5 months, but this is my home now. And I for one am not gonna sit back and just do nothing, while everything goes to hell in a handbasket. I have even considered joining the police force, cause I think I too could make a difference. If we don't do anything about the situation it's just not gonna get any better. I'll end my rant with these...

"...It was a warrior who salutes the flag, serves under the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag. It was a warrior who gave us the courage, confidence, and strength to live today and tomorrow." -Unknown

"Ignorance is the anesthesia that numbs the pain of stupidity"

"Far better it is to dare mighty things than to take spirit with those poor, timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."
-Winston Churchill

"Who's more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?"
-Star Wars (Obi Wan)

"Major flaws in government arise from a fear of making radical internal changes even though a need is clearly seen."
Darwi Odrade

These quotes come from various sources, some fictional, some not. In my opinion they're all words of wisdom...

Ya Hya Chouhada!
Long live the fighters!



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Joshua "Kage" Calvert

"Move like Water, strike like Thunder..."
 
OK Let me try this again. I spent near 30 minutes on a reply and hit submit then it told me I wasn't a registered user because or case sensitivity I guess and hit the back browser thing and lost it all
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Guess Ill just jump right in and begin
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Don Rearic: If Endura was not working as a Security Guard or in Loss Prevention, why was he handcuffing shoplifters? Why was he even in possession of them if he was not working Security/L.P. at the store? This seems a little wacky to me personally.
Yes can sound "wacky" but as I stated in my first posting
He was merely a worker in a store who was trusted by not only his employers but LEO as well to be responsible and trustworthy in his efforts to help them maintain the costs of the store by preventing shoplifting -
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meaning he was asked to help the security enforcers (rent-a-cops & LEO's) because he was trusted by them to watch their back and lend a hand IF there was trouble
And as with your wife - Endura HAS encountered these violent shoplifters with the verbal & physical abuse and they do not touch the people unless they have the proof on the security cameras - AND yes i agree that things are not the same in both a shoplifter and traffic stop But still the officer could have been having a bad day or could have just came off another call for something that went wrong in a routine stop - things happen all the time that could influence even alaw abiding citizen and yes even a CCW card holder can go balistic or postal on a moments notice just by getting pulled over after having a fight with spouse or going to an atm and finding no available funds - the things is all officers IN my opinion - it is only an opinionhave to be very cautious in todays world no matter how innocent the person looks or appears - they have to constantly watch their backs.
DonL: I do see your point of view as far as the statement made and not explaining anything else but with the people he had to deal with & the area it was a very accurate statement to make.
Royo: Thank you for your input on this and clarifying it.
I DO NOT HANDCUFF PEOPLE FOR THEIR SAFETY I DO IT FOR MINE .
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KWheeler DID state in his original post that.
At that point I inquired if i was under arrest for anything and he replied, no, this is just for YOUR safety and mine.
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So there is that reasoning.
KWheeler: Yes I agree you were in the right to tell him about the gun but can I ask why didn't you tell him about the knives? Or did you tell him after he asked about them? Just curious. And why on earth were you carrying 6 knives on your person?
Anyways let me see if it works this time - my few cents again...
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[This message has been edited by Crzyrabit (edited 07-06-2000).]
 
Why on Earth was he carrying 6 knives? Dear Woman, why on Earth does it matter? Once you get past one for each hand, the paranoia should fade. This is the problem I have with laws in general. As of right now, the conventional wisdom is, if the person is carrying a certain something, or even multiples of it, then obviously, he is up to no good. If you have a permit to carry a handgun, who cares? Why, the "Perception Boys" do!

Still in the dark about the handcuff thing.

Your "people can go postal because the money is out at the ATM or had a fight with spouse" is very amusing. (Not a direct quote.)

Just the point I have been trying to make and then went back and deleted because I am not Anti-LEO and did not want to appear that way, now, I find myself again wanting to state, for the record... Police are humans too. If a regular Citizen, even one carrying a CCW/CHL can go "postal," so can a cop.

This is the problem I have with automatically assuming that because a person has a certain job, they are O.K. The Police jump through hoops to get the job and have their background checked, etc., but apparently some of them feel the need to only trust other cops and not honest Citizens who have jumped through the same hoops.

Apparently my Communication Skills are failing, so I am going to bail on this one.
 
YES I did ask why he was carrying 6 knives but it was a question pointed and directed at him - I don't care how many knives one carries I did say I was just curious - I also said that maybe the cop hisself was having a bad day it goes both ways so who knows what the moods were that day either way people do have day to day stress that does affect the way they handle situations and different people - Hmm communication skills? Well Im not going to touch that one - better off unsaid - Crzyrabit out...
 
Hi Kwheeler,

I didn't understand from your post what you were ticketed for. You had a CCW. Was this from something else?

Tim
 
Well, since everyone else has chimed in, I might as well too.

First off, I consider myself pro-law enforcement. I was a volunteer firefighter as well as an EMT on a first aid squad in New Jersey for approximately 5 years. Many of the people that I worked with have become LEOs, and I'd become very good friends with the majority of LEOs in the town that I'd lived in. We'd helped each other in numerous circumstances and even now that I live 2800 miles away in Nevada, I still feel a "kinship" with anyone involved in emergency services. That includes law enforcement.

Here in Nevada, people are allowed to carry handguns in plain view. Coming from New Jersey, I found this totally incredible, so I called the Sherrif's Department to find out "the real scoop".
I was told that if I wanted to carry, that the weapon should be unloaded. Finding this kind of hard to accept, I searched the revised statutes in NV and found that there's no such law stating that weapons must be unloaded in order for someone to carry them.
Also, it is legal to have a weapon concealed in your vehicle, and with a handgun, it is specifically allowed to have a round in the chamber as well as a full magazine (Rifles and shotguns may be carried concealed as well, but Fish and Game laws require that the chamber be empty)

The point I'm trying to get to is that the Sherrif's officer that I spoke with basically told me what HE wanted, without regard to the existing law.
Perhaps if I hadn't called on the phone, and if I knew him personally, I may have gotten a different story, but I found the situation to be a kind of Cathch-22.
I KNOW that I am allowed to carry a fully loaded handgun on my belt in plain view, but after speaking with that officer, I've decided not to.
When I walk my dog at night, yes, I carry, but I also hope that a pastrol car doesn't happen to pass by.
When I drive my truck, there's a loaded .45, cocked and locked in the console between the seats, with my reg and insurance in the glove box.

Now the question is what do I say if I am stopped for a traffic violation?
Residents here say that as soon as I'm pulled over, I should put my hands out of the window and announce the fact that there's a loaded handgun in the vehicle.
How do I know the mentality of the approaching officer?
Does he take that to mean that I am a bad guy?
Will it make him more or less nervous to have stopped someone who announces the fact that he or she is armed?

I decided to ask a good friend of mine who's an LEO in California, and he basically said that if the LEO is stopping you for a routine violation, to keep your mouth shut. If it seems as if he's going to search you or the vehicle, THEN it's time to fess up and deal with it from there.
LEOs are like anyone else... there's well adjusted types, and there's the uhhh... other types.
I'm too lazy to backtrack to see who wrote it, but someone said that the fact that someone HAS a CCW permit should prove that the person is a law abiding person. The flip side is that an LEO might see that person who mentions it, as trying to impress the officer, or worse, to be a "wannabe".

Anyways, I'm taking my friend's advice and if the occasion arises that I'm stopped, I'll just keep my mouth shut unless either I'm about to be searched, or if I'm specifically asked if I'm carrying any weapons.

I'll shuddup now.
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Crzyrabbit,

As I have stated earlier the reason I didn't tell the officer about my knives is that I don't need a permit to carry them, therefore, IMHO, it was none of the officers business. What's wrong with carrying 6 anyhow? I happen to love knives and fail to see anything wrong with my daily carry. I suggest you do a search for one of the "what'cha carrying" threads. If you do and read it, you will see that I carry more than a lot of people, but far less than some others.


Kris

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Don
You are right a lot of law enforcement officers are killed or injured each year in Domestic Disputes. Also there are usually MORE killed and injured each year during traffic stops.
Also I do not whine to people about how dangerous my job is... I know it is and they do too... My friends always want to hear the funny side of law enforcement and I oblige them with humerous stories ... But when it comes to the serious stuff they dont want to hear it or thet refuse to believe that horible things happen in their city. Oh sorry i am rambling and I did not mean too. This has been a good thread I have enjoyed reading peoples remarks even though I have felt myself and my profession got Flamed a couple of times ....But that goes with the teritory see ya all later
Ps...Don I would have to use descretion if i came in contact with someone armed because they were being stalked....I would weigh all the facts and then make a decision on what to do
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All it takes for the forces of evil to rule the world is for good men to do nothing...Edmund Burke

[This message has been edited by Royo (edited 07-07-2000).]
 
Interesting thread. Here in North Carolina, a CCW holder is REQUIRED to tell a police officer who approaches him/her that they are a CCW holder and are armed. Over the past five years there have been two incidences where I've been "approached" by an officer.

The first was at a license check by the Highway Patrol (which galls me - but that's a subject for another thread). I handed the officer my driver's license and CCW permit and informed him that I was armed. He asked what I was carrying. I told him about my ever-present Seecamp .32 pistol in my front pants pocket and the Kahr MK-9 pistol in the center console. He thanked me and told me to have a nice day.

The second time was after I had been involved in a wreck. Another driver had pulled out in front of me, causing me to swerve around him. He ended up hitting the side of my car and caused my car to jump the curb - eventually ending up within inches of a telephone pole. To make matters worse, the guy blamed ME for the accident. Needless to say I felt like pounding the guy into submission, but did my best to avoid him while calling for help on my cell phone. When the city police arrived I was still visibly upset, but immediately informed the officer that I was a CCW holder and had two guns with me. He asked my to slowly remove my Seecamp from my pocket and place it on the hood of the car. He then took all of the bullets out of the chamber and magazine. He removed my Kahr from the center console and unloaded it as well. He then placed the guns and bullets in the front seat of his cruiser, and informed me that they would be returned when the accident reports were filled out. The officer did not assign fault in the wreck (which is common in NC), but the other driver's insurance paid my claims without hassle. True to his word, my guns and ammo were returned when I was ready to leave. Although I was clearly mad about the other driver's attitude, the officer was polite and professional during the whole ordeal. He did not appear alarmed that I was armed, nor did he feel the need to cuff me "for his or my safety." I thought he handled the situation in an appropriate manner. He reduced the threat to himself (and the other driver, that !@#$%) without having to cuff or detain me.

Each situation was handle in a polite and professional way by officers from two separate departments. Whether that is due to training, or whether I just got lucky to get officers who happened to be having "good" days, I dunno...

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My Custom Knife Collection
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Deo Vindice
 
BTW - Crzyrabit, I always triple-click in the Your Reply section to highlight my whole post and copy it just prior to hitting the Submit Reply button. That way I'll have the post in a buffer that I can paste from if there are problems submitting the post like you had.
 
Kwheeler: Yes I read the knives postings about who carries what and now many and for what reasons (for different jobs etc..) I was just curious is all thanks for replying.
Senator: Yes I did do that with the second posting but took me losing it to learn it
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It is better that way just in case. Thanks for the advice.
 
This type of thing usually happens for two reasons...lack of training and fear.

We specifically include a training scenario similar to this (ccw/armed homeowner locked out of house) in the officer survival segment of our academy to address issues like this with new recruits.
 
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