Fusion Battle Mistress - Distress

I said I hated the grooves but I'm buying a Battle Grade Mistress anyway. I chose Urban Grey Blade with a Black/Tan G-10 handle. I just figured that the LE was a bit too heavy (and expensive)for field use. Too late to gripe, I'll have to learn to love the lit'l bastid. Or should I say big bastid. If I use it a lot the grooves will, in the words of General Mac Arthur, "just fade away".
 
You will come to love the grooves. Trust in Busse.
The first moment I layed eyes on the HR I was in love with the grooves. The grooves do make a lot of sense.

My experience with that type of metal geometry comes from rifle barrels. Fluted barrels became popular because the fluting makes them stronger, less resistance to flexing and lightens the load, it's win-win.

In the case of the Busse blade: stronger, lighter, and cutting friction is reduced, since the entire side of the knife is not rubbing on the object being cut.

As far as those grooves fading away, maybe if you are cutting files in half, or maybe if you are sawing raw chunks of carbide. :eek:
I don't think the INFi is going to wear down that easily using it on wood and plant life.

None the less, you will like the grooves.

Grooves are groovy. :thumbup:
 
SkunkWerX said:
My experience with that type of metal geometry comes from rifle barrels. Fluted barrels became popular because the fluting makes them stronger, less resistance to flexing and lightens the load, it's win-win.

Grooves are groovy. :thumbup:
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This concept requires qualification. A fluted barrel is only stiffer than a not fluted barrel of the same weight. This means that you start with a much thicker barrel to begin with, then carve out some grooves. Conversely, given two barrels of equal length, caliber, and mass, the fluted barrel will necessarily have a thicker overall cross section and therefore be stiffer. It is the thickness, not the furrows, that result in additional stiffness! Please, whenever using this illustration, qualify it. :D

I believe the corrugations follow this logic in that you achieve a thicker profile per blade mass than a pricision ground blade of the same general shape, spine thickness, and grind height. If that ain't right, somebody please fix my logic.
 
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I'm still on hold on what to order:confused: I really don't like the grooves and I wanted a HOFBM with tan coating to match my HOFSH :mad: I guess I'll also have to get a sterile LE and dcbb it myself:thumbdn: I also wonder if the .25 standard grades will actually come in at .22/.23 like many of the FSH's:eek: BUT I'm definitely getting one errrr four of something
 
JWBirch said:
This concept requires qualification. A fluted barrel is only stiffer than a not fluted barrel of the same weight. This means that you start with a much thicker barrel to begin with, then carve out some grooves. Conversely, given two barrels of equal length, caliber, and mass, the fluted barrel will necessarily have a thicker overall cross section and therefore be stiffer. It is the thickness, not the furrows, that result in additional stiffness! Please, whenever using this illustration, qualify it. :D

I believe the corrugations follow this logic in that you achieve a thicker profile per blade mass than a pricision ground blade of the same general shape, spine thickness, and grind height. If that ain't right, somebody please fix my logic.
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Okay John, I'm diving into this because Johnny Walker told me to. . . . !!!:eek:

Take a look at a piece of 12" wide by 48" long, thin sheet metal. . . in general it is very flexible and bends under its own weight. . . Now take a look at a similar sized piece of corrugated sheet metal of the same thickness and outside dimensions and you now have greatly increased strength and rigidity which makes it nearly impossible to bend. You also have a greatly increased amount of actual surface area in the same amount of space. . . .Does this make sense?. . . . If not, then one of us needs to drink more. . . Okay, I volunteer!!!!:D :thumbup:
 
Jerry Busse said:
Okay John, I'm diving into this because Johnny Walker told me to. . . . !!!:eek:

Take a look at a piece of 12" wide by 48" long, thin sheet metal. . . in general it is very flexible and bends under its own weight. . . Now take a look at a similar sized piece of corrugated sheet metal of the same thickness and outside dimensions and you now have greatly increased strength and rigidity which makes it nearly impossible to bend. You also have a greatly increased amount of actual surface area in the same amount of space. . . .Does this make sense?. . . . If not, then one of us needs to drink more. . . Okay, I volunteer!!!!:D :thumbup:
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Geez, Jerry, get a clue. You're way too drunk to participate in this conversation. :D

You've ground out a practically imperceptible amout of metal, and you're talkinglke taking a bit of metal away from a thich sheet is somehow similar to bending a thin sheet. Maybe, and I stress maybe it will have an effect on the slicing ability of the blade because thing sliced might not stick to stuff as easily. I have some Wusthoff kitchen knves that seem to work this way. But I think we all know that the reduction in weight is negligable and that a blade with metal removed is marginally less stiff that one with metal not removed.

All that greater surface area is going to do is provide a larger surface for oxidation (or it would if we had an option that didn't include paint).
 
JWBirch said:
This concept requires qualification. A fluted barrel is only stiffer than a not fluted barrel of the same weight. This means that you start with a much thicker barrel to begin with, then carve out some grooves. Conversely, given two barrels of equal length, caliber, and mass, the fluted barrel will necessarily have a thicker overall cross section and therefore be stiffer. It is the thickness, not the furrows, that result in additional stiffness! Please, whenever using this illustration, qualify it. :D

I believe the corrugations follow this logic in that you achieve a thicker profile per blade mass than a pricision ground blade of the same general shape, spine thickness, and grind height. If that ain't right, somebody please fix my logic.
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two rifle barrels, both 24 inches long, both 3/4" in diameter, both with a 30 cal hole in the middle.

both barrels are identical.

then

flute one and leave the other unfluted.

the fluted barrel is stiffer because of the angles.

the fluted barrel is lighter because of the metel removed.

the fluted barrel cools faster because of increased surface area.

maybe i need to drink also.....
 
idahoskunk said:
two rifle barrels, both 24 inches long, both 3/4" in diameter, both with a 30 cal hole in the middle.

both barrels are identical.

then

flute one and leave the other unfluted.

the fluted barrel is stiffer because of the angles.

the fluted barrel is lighter because of the metel removed.

maybe i need to drink also.....
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Yeah, you need a drink too. The fluted barrel is stiffer than a thinner barrel of similiar weight. It is not stiffer than a non-fluted barrel of equal diameter. the non-fluted barrel of the same diameter is stiffer. But it is less stiff than a non-fluted barrel of the same diameter. It is less stiff because metal has been removed. But it will be stiffer than a non-fluted barrel of the same weight but of a lesser diameter.
 
I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

So I'll drink too.
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ok, maybe this will help...

two bottles of pigs nose, both full.

uncork one and drink it.

uncorked bottle is lighter.

uncorked bottle cools faster.

car sound better.

car drives faster.

wimmin look better.

jail cells are cold.

tickets cost more.

insurance goes up.
 
JohnTheTexican said:
Yeah, you need a drink too. The fluted barrel is stiffer than a thinner barrel of similiar weight. It is not stiffer than a non-fluted barrel of equal diameter. the non-fluted barrel of the same diameter is stiffer. But it is less stiff than a non-fluted barrel of the same diameter. It is less stiff because metal has been removed. But it will be stiffer than a non-fluted barrel of the same weight but of a lesser diameter.
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you been smoking too much gun powder :rolleyes:
 
idahoskunk said:
so why would anybody in their right mind ever flute a barrel?

sincerely,
william ruger
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Because it looks cool. God knows that the weight reduction doesn't make a damn bit of difference in hte real world.
 
idahoskunk said:
so why would anybody in their right mind ever flute a barrel?

sincerely,
william ruger
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have you ever tried dusting between those lil flutes?

white feather
 
ok wise guys, here's another then i'm going to do some serious drinking...

two barrels same length, same weight,

one barrel is round and one barrel is octagonal.

the octagonal barrel is stiffer!

danial boone
 
Okay, I just drank a flute of Pig's Nose and I am MUCH stronger than before I drank it!!!. . . . Case closed!:thumbup:

Jerry:D
 
idahoskunk said:
ok wise guys, here's another then i'm going to do some serious drinking...

two barrels same length, same weight,

one barrel is round and one barrel is octagonal.

the octagonal barrel is stiffer!

danial boone
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Yup. Slightly greater outer diameter on hte octagon. Same as a fluted barrel of the same length and weight. It'll be a bit stiffer than a round barel of the same length and weight.
 
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