Ganzo 710 rip off BM Rift

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Recently saw the thread that discuses the quality of ganzo knives and how most members through different ways are articulating their opinions voiced that ganzo is engaging in intellectual theft. I would like to encourage those that aren't aware of May disagree with that assertion to view the attached pics and not to support a company that has dishonest practices.

I am actually in favor of knife makers improving on the design of locking systems. Many companies use lock back locks and many improve upon the design of the lock and apply to their own particular style. The buck 110 vs spyderco endura.. Same principle in locking but completely different knife.. Now when a company copies every detail as close as they can that is theft and they are benefiting from the time it took to design the knife, the research that when it to it.. i. e. Prototypes and testing and then marketing. moral individual should support a company that behaves in this manner.. See pics and form your own oppinion and hopefully this will dissuade people from supporting companies that benefit from the time and money that others invest in their designs and products. Pics are open sourced off google images

https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/135997239@N07/21956235376/

https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/135997239@N07/21992276321/
 
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Since you are discussing the business rather thsn the knives, I moved this from General Knife Discussion.
 
I'm surprised people still make these threads considering the sh*tstorm that eventually ensues. From what I understand, any patents one may have in the USA are pretty much meaningless in China. So, from a legal standpoint, any company in China is free to copy what they like. As long as they can legally do it, and they can make a great knife for less than $20 bucks, people are going to buy them.
 
rob32 said:
I'm surprised people still make these threads considering the sh*tstorm that eventually ensues. From what I understand, any patents one may have in the USA are pretty much meaningless in China. So, from a legal standpoint, any company in China is free to copy what they like. As long as they can legally do it, and they can make a great knife for less than $20 bucks, people are going to buy them.
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Justify design theft any way you want.
 
buffjay said:
...moral individual...
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rob32 said:
...from a legal standpoint...
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Politicians have never been my role models.

The way I see it, if a consumer knowingly buys a knock off, chances are they weren't willing to shell out the money for the real thing. In which case the original manufacturer would lose nothing since that individual would not have bought from them anyway. I can't stand the con artists that try to pass em off as authentic though. That being said, I have no fakes and have no intention of obtaining any. If the real thing is too pricey for me, I'll find something else rather than contribute funds to a thief.
 
In the end, is that what you really want the world to think about your culture? That you are really good at copying others work using low quality materials? You can keep that.
The telephone, computer, the airplane, cell phone, I could keep listing the things the USA has invented and often to this day made the best.
People from other countries that I work with often try and mock the fact that the US doesn't use the metric system to this day,,,, I tell them hey we were the first on the moon and the first to fly seems like we're doing all right without it
 
rcb2000 said:
People from other countries that I work with often try and mock the fact that the US doesn't use the metric system to this day,,,, I tell them hey we were the first on the moon and the first to fly seems like we're doing all right without it
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More importantly, we invented decimal currency. How long did it take the British to drop their old LSD? :D
 
rob32 said:
I'm surprised people still make these threads considering the sh*tstorm that eventually ensues. From what I understand, any patents one may have in the USA are pretty much meaningless in China. So, from a legal standpoint, any company in China is free to copy what they like. As long as they can legally do it, and they can make a great knife for less than $20 bucks, people are going to buy them.
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Patent isn't the issue as those aren't enforced. Chinese business practices are under handed and shady to say the least. The people that buy them should at least be aware what they are doing and it is ripping off someone else work. In my view individuals on forums/YouTube shouldn't review direct copies of knives and talk about the quality of the item and how they compare to the real thing. A copy my be equal in every way but that isn't the deciding factor into why the consumer should by the product.. The purchaser should be aware they Are buying a product that was built off of someone else's design/research and marketing..

Personal view. Tarrifs should be back in full force until the Asian markets(mainly China, Pakistan and Vietnam) start enforceing in patent laws. And any U.S. Marketer that imports items for resale that are intellectual theft should fined. Rant over for now
 
buffjay said:
Patent isn't the issue as those aren't enforced. Chinese business practices are under handed and shady to say the least. The people that buy them should at least be aware what they are doing and it is ripping off someone else work. In my view individuals on forums/YouTube shouldn't review direct copies of knives and talk about the quality of the item and how they compare to the real thing. A copy my be equal in every way but that isn't the deciding factor into why the consumer should by the product.. The purchaser should be aware they Are buying a product that was built off of someone else's design/research and marketing..

Personal view. Tarrifs should be back in full force until the Asian markets(mainly China, Pakistan and Vietnam) start enforceing in patent laws. And any U.S. Marketer that imports items for resale that are intellectual theft should fined. Rant over for now
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Just curious, but do you not buy or own ANYTHING made in China?

The only reason Chinese manufacturers are able to copy American made goods is because the Chinese government permits it. If the Chinese government wanted to stop the manufacturing of copied items, they could. But the Chinese government is making money from it, so they don't stop it.

Every manufacturer in China pays money to the Chinese government. So every time you buy anything made in China, you are giving money to the same government that permits the production of copied goods.

If you take your moral position to the next logical step, you shouldn't buy ANYTHING made in China, or support ANY company that does business in China, because they all give money to the Chinese government.

Imagine the country of China as one big department store, and the Chinese government runs the entire store. You say you won't buy from the "copy" department, but if you buy from any of the other departments, you are still giving money to the people who run the store, the same store that sells copied goods.

As far as being "shady", there is no "company" in China more shady than the Chinese government. And every time a "made in China" product is purchased, whatever it may be, some of that money goes to the Chinese government.

Lets see, what "shady" things have the Chinese government done, corporate espionage, spying, stealing technological secrets, hacking into US computers and stealing the personal information of millions of American citizens, not to mention countless human rights violations, etc, etc, etc.
 
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tl;dr.

You can't boycott China these days. It is impossible. What we can do on this knife hobby forum is support companies that support our hobby in a positive way and shun counterfeiters, copiers, and other nasty companies that hurt our hobby. Buying Ganzo knives with the ripped off axis lock and stolen designs from Benchmade, Lionsteel, ontario, and other great companies hurts our hobby. Like I said above, folks come up with some great excuses to legitimize purchasing knock offs.
 
craytab said:
tl;dr.

You can't boycott China these days. It is impossible. What we can do on this knife hobby forum is support companies that support our hobby in a positive way and shun counterfeiters, copiers, and other nasty companies that hurt our hobby. Buying Ganzo knives with the ripped off axis lock and stolen designs from Benchmade, Lionsteel, ontario, and other great companies hurts our hobby. Like I said above, folks come up with some great excuses to legitimize purchasing knock offs.
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Nowhere in my post did I provide any "excuses to legitimize purchasing knockoffs". What I did is point out the simple fact that every "made in China" purchase benefits the Chinese government, and that the Chinese government does far worse things than copy knife designs.

Of course people can boycott China. Even if it's not a total boycott, they can choose to buy as few things as possible made in China. Every less dollar spent on Chinese made goods means less money going to the Chinese government. To say it's "impossible", like people have no choice in their purchasing, sounds like justification to keep buying more Chinese made products and justify ones own financial contribution to the Chinese government.

If a person CHOOSES to give money to the Chinese government, buy purchasing things made in China that are not vital for their survival, then I don't think they are in any position to make moral judgements of other people for their purchases.

Personally, I buy lots of things made in China. But what I don't do is pass moral judgement on other people based on their purchases.

And on the subject of "copies", I wonder how many knife companies have "copied" the Buck 110. I have seen several knife makers sell folding lockbacks with the same design features of the 110. They may use different materials, but they use the same design. I remember Kershaw had a line of folding lockbacks that looked a lot like the 110 (Kershaw Wildcat). And Schrade makes a few that are virtually identical to the 110. So did Camillus (model 886).
 
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craytab said:
Like I said above, folks come up with some great excuses to legitimize purchasing knock offs.
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Yep . . . normally starting with the amount of money they have in their wallets.

The fact is, our little community isn't going to have any real impact in curbing the counterfeit/clone/knockoff trade. And pretending that they don't exist is tantamount to sticking our heads in the sand. So the best we can do is acknowledge that counterfeits, clones and knockoffs are out there and encourage folks not to buy them on moral and ethical grounds knowing full well we'll probably be ignored.
 
When I can I avoid imported products, especially stuff from China. It's challenging sometimes, but I try my best. I definitely have no interest in helping the knockoff and counterfeit businesses of China. Why fund their ability to make counterfeit products that are difficult to distinguish from authentic one's. Eventually that's what winds up happening.
 
killgar said:
Nowhere in my post did I provide any "excuses to legitimize purchasing knockoffs".
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Again, tl;dr.

I only read your first line. And no where did I say you did. You will notice that if I respond to something you say I will quote it.

Facts remain the same. Buying Ganzo knockoffs hurt the hobby and people will come up with all sorts of excuses to justify it.
 
bld522 said:
Yep . . . normally starting with the amount of money they have in their wallets.

The fact is, our little community isn't going to have any real impact in curbing the counterfeit/clone/knockoff trade.
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True. Doesn't mean we have to put up with it here. The rest of society doesn't really care about our little community anyhow but that doesn't mean we shouldn't.

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And pretending that they don't exist is tantamount to sticking our heads in the sand. So the best we can do is acknowledge that they're out there and encourage folks not to buy them on moral and ethical grounds knowing full well we'll probably be ignored.
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Isn't that exactly what I am doing? ;)
 
Sure. Me too! :) Just trying to stay on the high ground when I assume an ethical or moral position. Some folks have a little trouble doing that . . . not suggesting that you're one of them, of course.
 
craytab said:
Again, tl;dr.

I only read your first line. And no where did I say you did. You will notice that if I respond to something you say I will quote it.

Facts remain the same. Buying Ganzo knockoffs hurt the hobby and people will come up with all sorts of excuses to justify it.
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My mistake. Thank you for the clarification. I have no idea what "tl;dr" means.
 
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