Ganzo 710 rip off BM Rift

[buffjay]

Just curious, but do you not buy or own ANYTHING made in China?

The only reason Chinese manufacturers are able to copy American made goods is because the Chinese government permits it. If the Chinese government wanted to stop the manufacturing of copied items, they could. But the Chinese government is making money from it, so they don't stop it.

Every manufacturer in China pays money to the Chinese government. So every time you buy anything made in China, you are giving money to the same government that permits the production of copied goods.

If you take your moral position to the next logical step, you shouldn't buy ANYTHING made in China, or support ANY company that does business in China, because they all give money to the Chinese government.

Imagine the country of China as one big department store, and the Chinese government runs the entire store. You say you won't buy from the "copy" department, but if you buy from any of the other departments, you are still giving money to the people who run the store, the same store that sells copied goods.

As far as being "shady", there is no "company" in China more shady than the Chinese government. And every time a "made in China" product is purchased, whatever it may be, some of that money goes to the Chinese government.

Lets see, what "shady" things have the Chinese government done, corporate espionage, spying, stealing technological secrets, hacking into US computers and stealing the personal information of millions of American citizens, not to mention countless human rights violations, etc, etc, etc.

Of course I own things made in China.. That is always a weak argument because of the way trade law
Encourage manufactures to design in the states and then out source to China. And no China is not one big department store. While I might agree with you about their one party system my post was/is about buying products from a company that rip off/engages in intellectual theft of another company.

The mindset of "I can't afford the real thing so I am going to buy this direct copy and try to justify it by asking if you have anything bought in China"

I am not implying that you support GAnzo and their theft, but that seems to be a prevalent attitude amoungst those that but their knives because they are a direct copy. Just my opinion

 

[ron_m80]

Just having this thread exist, and pop up in search results makes the "fake" producers happy. They don't give a care at all about the negative tones presented here. Someone will see this active thread on Bladeforums, and their target market will see they can get a fake "x" knife from a particular company.

Free advertising, and exposure is what they get from this.

 

[killgar]

Maybe not fraud, but it is design theft.

Taylor Brands, the company that owns the Schrade name, is a US company, located in the US. That means that they are subject to US law.

If Taylor Brands is violating US criminal law by copying Buck and Chris Reeve knife designs, then I would imagine that Buck and Chris Reeve would seek criminal prosecution. After all, it wouldn't cost them a dime to contact the proper authorities and report the theft. And I imagine that big companies like Buck and CRK would make their voices heard, and their calls would be answered. To my knowledge, no criminal charges have been brought against Taylor Brands for copying knife designs.

If Taylor Brands were violating civil law by copying those knife designs, then I imagine that Buck and Chris Reeve would sue them in civil court to stop them. I could find no such civil cases.

Taylor Brands is a big company. They aren't some little hole-in-the-wall, one-man operation. They own and produce several well-known knife brands, and those brands (including Schrade) are sold across the US by numerous vendors (including Sears, Cabelas, and Dick's Sporting Goods, just to name a few). Considering how big the company is, and how much it would have to loose, I find it hard to believe that they would openly violate US laws in such a public manner. I also find it hard to believe that other big, well-known US companies would sell Taylor products if doing so were a violation of US law.

As I said before, as long as a knife is not a counterfeit (a fraud), and as long as patents are not being infringed upon, then I have no problem with "copies".

People in general are hypocrites, I catch myself from time to time being guilty of it. All I can say, without rambling on and on, is good point.

Although I'm certainly not perfect, I think it's easy to avoid being a hypocrite. My way of avoiding being a hypocrite is- I say what I mean, and I do what I say. Furthermore, I don't judge or criticize other people for doing what I do. Although I don't believe that I have ever bought a copied knife design, I do buy from companies* that make copies. So I don't judge or criticize other people for buying copies, or buying from companies that make copies.

(* Ganzo, United Cutlery, and soon Schrade)

I appreciate your comments Corey .

 

[Karda]

Just having this thread exist, and pop up in search results makes the "fake" producers happy. They don't give a care at all about the negative tones presented here. Someone will see this active thread on Bladeforums, and their target market will see they can get a fake "x" knife from a particular company.

Free advertising, and exposure is what they get from this.

Illogical. Their "Target" market will buy whether or not they see a thread on any forum. Not everyone wants to stick their head in the sand and pretend the boogeyman doesn't exist. The way to fight darkness is to shine light on it.

 

[killgar]

Of course I own things made in China.. That is always a weak argument because of the way trade law
Encourage manufactures to design in the states and then out source to China. And no China is not one big department store. While I might agree with you about their one party system my post was/is about buying products from a company that rip off/engages in intellectual theft of another company.

The mindset of "I can't afford the real thing so I am going to buy this direct copy and try to justify it by asking if you have anything bought in China"

I am not implying that you support GAnzo and their theft, but that seems to be a prevalent attitude amoungst those that but their knives because they are a direct copy. Just my opinion

So I have to ask- Do you think it's wrong to buy knives from ANY company that makes copies?

Do you think it's wrong to buy knives from ANY vendor who sells copies?

If you believe that buying copies supports theft, then aren't those vendors who sell copies supporting theft? After all, they're making money off those copies.

I still find it interesting that people don't want to answer those questions. They seem like such simple questions. Perhaps it's just easier to condemn copies, and the vendors who sell them, when it's just some small, obscure Chinese company doing it. But when it comes to US companies making copies, and all the numerous US vendors selling them, suddenly people are at a loss for words. The silence is a bit deafening.

 

[killgar]

Just having this thread exist, and pop up in search results makes the "fake" producers happy. They don't give a care at all about the negative tones presented here. Someone will see this active thread on Bladeforums, and their target market will see they can get a fake "x" knife from a particular company.

Free advertising, and exposure is what they get from this.

You say that, but yet you have posted in this thread FOUR times now.

I always find it interesting when people criticize the existence of a thread, and yet they continually choose to post in that thread, and bump it right back to the top every time.

If you feel that this thread is a blight on this forum, and that it does harm to the knife industry, then report it to the Moderators. But something tells me they are already aware of it since it's been here awhile, and since a few of them frequent this forum, and one has posted in this thread, twice.

By the way, I noticed that you haven't offered any answers to the questions I keep asking (not that you owe me any answers). Is it wrong to buy from any company that makes copies? Is it wrong to buy from any vendor who sells copies?

And did you happen to notice that the owner of this forum sells copies at his knife store? But yet, you're willing to use HIS forum to promote your own business.

 

[bld522]

Just having this thread exist, and pop up in search results makes the "fake" producers happy. They don't give a care at all about the negative tones presented here. Someone will see this active thread on Bladeforums, and their target market will see they can get a fake "x" knife from a particular company.

Free advertising, and exposure is what they get from this.

If you don't think this subject is going to keep coming up, you're kidding yourself. So what's your solution . . . censorship? If you're suggesting we go that route, you'll need to take it up with Spark.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

If you don't think this subject is going to keep coming up, you're fooling yourself. So what's your solution? Censorship? If you're suggesting we go that route, you'll need to take it up with Spark.

You can take it up with me. These threads are all too common, they go on and on, and no conclusions are possible, because definitions are sloppy, and participants wallow in the drama. I do not like seeing 1SKS dragged into this. Spark doesn't advertise here, and deserves some courtesy in return.

So, this one is gone.