Gaps between liner and spring?

Wow.... Many of my early attempts were much worse that Les's and I did the same thing as Les by taking photo's of the minor issues. I agree that Les made an offer that was more than fair in offering credit toward another knife.
 
Blues and Bastid know much more about this style of knife than I do, but I do know buying and selling on Bladeforums.

When you buy from the secondary market, your recourse is to the seller, not the maker, period. Often the maker wants to get involved: it is his work, after all, and no one survives in this business without pride in his work.

But in this case the seller is also a man of integrity, and will solve the problem by reversing the deal. I can't imagine anything else that need be said. (Other than thanks! to Les and spiralarchitect. :) )
 
AR fan:

If I send you $250 will you promise to:

1) Send me the knife (unmolested) and
2) Apologize to Les?
 
Les Voorhies said:
Keep the knife if you can't get the seller to take it back and I will offer you or the seller credit of $250 towards another knife. Thats all i can think to do do. If i could fix it I would.
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spiralarchitect said:
The seller is outed.......That would be me. AR, if there is a problem you should email me. I will always undo any trade.
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Total class and integrity shown by both these men. It looks like this never had to be brought to Bladeforums. It could have easily been handled privately.
 
Keith, If you read the first post you will see that I wasn't looking for a refund or credit or to flame anyone, I was merely trying to find out if there was an easy fix to the gap problem.
I didn't mention the makers name at all. He did.
The pics were posted at Blues request.
And your right, the maker and the person who sold me the knife are good people.
Again, go back to the first post and see how this progressed from a question I posted on the Traditional forum into a dogpile on GBU.
I at no time called anyone any names, I quoted was I was told.
Les himself said that it's because he doesn't have a surface grinder that he doesn't make slippies anymore, since he can't get the fit right.
I just asked a question.
I like the knife, I don't want a refund or credit. I was just wondering if there was a simple fix out there for a problem like this. I didn't go to the original maker because I didn't expect there to be any warranty, and I am alright with paying for a better fit out of my own pocket, if it is feasible.
 
AR fan said:
Keith, If you read the first post you will see that I wasn't looking for a refund or credit or to flame anyone, I was merely trying to find out if there was an easy fix to the gap problem.
I didn't mention the makers name at all. He did.
The pics were posted at Blues request.
And your right, the maker and the person who sold me the knife are good people.
Again, go back to the first post and see how this progressed from a question I posted on the Traditional forum into a dogpile on GBU.
I at no time called anyone any names, I quoted was I was told.
Les himself said that it's because he doesn't have a surface grinder that he doesn't make slippies anymore, since he can't get the fit right.
I just asked a question.
I like the knife, I don't want a refund or credit. I was just wondering if there was a simple fix out there for a problem like this. I didn't go to the original maker because I didn't expect there to be any warranty, and I am alright with paying for a better fit out of my own pocket, if it is feasible.
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That's a nice little piece of revisionist history, AR fan. :rolleyes:

When you asked your initial question in the traditional forum you failed to mention that you were not the original owner of the knife in question. I actually wondered about that but didn't address it until after my initial reply to you. Still, no real harm was done at that point.

However, once the facts began to come out, that's where things and your actions (imho) went south.

First, as Keith and others have pointed out, this matter could have been dealt with directly with the seller and the maker without causing a scene here.

When the maker told you that he would be unable to "fix" the knife (which is perfectly functional as is), you threw a cyber hissy fit and brought up your intention to post in the G, B & U because you felt it your duty somehow to make sure other forum members knew that the maker was incapable of making a proper slipjoint. (When in fact the maker properly addressed the issues involved both to the original purchaser (the only person he actually owed anythng to) and here in this thread after being being needlessly dragged into it.)

Even when the maker explained why he couldn't remedy the situation and offered extremely generous solutions (which would cost him time and money) you continued your sulking and insistence on ensuring that the forums' members knew that the maker couldn't make a proper slipjoint. (All the while pointing to another example of his work from his website.)

If you had just taken the high road to begin with and asked the maker if he could fix the issue without trying to shame him into doing so by going behind his back to the forums to ask what only he could answer, this whole situation wouldn't have the foul odor it has taken on.

You could have made it clear from the beginning that you were not seeking a refund (or reversal of a trade) and that you intended to keep the knife even if the maker could not fulfill your request.

Instead you decided that the better course of action was to post repeatedly in a manner intended to create the impression that the maker was somehow incompetent. Only after the fact did you make a feeble attempt to back pedal.

Look, we're all human and make mistakes but you haven't owned up to yours nor addressed the most important issue which is that you owe the maker (and perhaps the members of the forums) an apology for your actions.
 
Look, we're all human and make mistakes but you haven't owned up to yours nor addressed the most important issue which is that you owe the maker (and perhaps the members of the forums) an apology for your actions.
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Blues you have hit the nail right on the head and I want to thank everyone who stepped up on my behalf in this thread.

I just want to make a couple of things clear and then I'm going to back out of this thread not say anymore and hopefully this will die down and there won't be any real damage done.

First of all i think we all agree that AR did not name me in his post and I sort of escalated things by identifying myself, I really had nothing against AR at that point. Then AR got upset or something and said some things I suspect he wishes he could take back. AR has apologized to me and although I'm not sure he fully understands or is willing to admit the full extent of all he did, I am now letting the matter go and I hold no grudge towards AR and soon I'll forget any bad feelings towards him.

AR, I do really think you owe some of the people on this forum an apology also. I'm willing to believe that you just cannot see your err rather than your not willing to admit to it. The seller in this matter was innocent because he really just bought the knife to use and did not realize that the gap would be a problem for a collector but it seems to me that talking to him before anyone else would just be common sense and I hope thats one thing that everyone (everyone that didn't know it already) gets from this situation.

Thats all I have to say about it, AR it's up to you to save your own reputation.

Les
 
Ren the devils trailboss
If you dont want it Ill take it..It looks like an awesome knife to me...
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bluejaunte said:
AR fan:

If I send you $250 will you promise to:

1) Send me the knife (unmolested) and
2) Apologize to Les?
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spiralarchitect
if there is a problem you should email me. I will always undo any trade.
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I don't understand you AR fan..... You have had 3 offers to get out of the deal and you still insist on being stubborn about your position.
You escalated this to GB&U
Now your ego does not allow you to back down and do the right thing...?

Take one of the offers open to you or stop trying to sully the reputation of an honest man.
 
This thread got off on the wrong foot from the beginning. IMHO, a little bit of gap is perfectly acceptable in a handmade custom slipjoint at this price. Anyone who thinks differently doesn't know the low-price end of the handmade market. Some slipjoints are pretty bad, some are kit knives. Remember, some customs are more "hand assembled" than handmade. From what Les has told me the one time I met him, you get a handmade product from him. Humans are by definition imperfect, thus a handmade knife should have some imperfections at $250. I've seen much worse fit/finish from makers with more "name" at more money.
 
Here is my take on it...and It will probably result in an infraction but so be it..

ARFan...

Proverbs 18:2
A fool does not delight in understanding,
But only in revealing his own mind.


Proverbs 18:7
A fool’s mouth is his ruin,
And his lips are the snare of his soul.
 
Fellas, I think the point has been made. No need to pile on at this juncture.
 
The way I see it is that AR fan expected a little too much from the knife. Mainly people buy custom knives because they want to see the creativity of the maker, not perfection. Many high-end custom knives will have small cosmetic faults in them because we're only human, these faults do not make the knife any weaker; otherwise the maker would stash it in his drawer of rejects. If you want a perfect knife, it is probably best to have a machine CNC the parts.
 
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