It doesn’t feel at all like a 77 to me though. That’s what I was trying to say.Brad, you are in several FB groups where Randy Bell explained that the #87 is a Yankee/Washington Jack (Frame) stretched to the length of the 65 in order to use the Yankee/Washinton Jack caps and bolsters and the 65 main blades, in addition, the pen blades of the 78 could be used.