GEC 3 1/2" Dogleg Jack

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waynorth said:
I don't think we have a fight going here. Just some friendly discussion! :)

And as soon as everyone realizes I am completely right, we can move on!!:eek:
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JK, JK!!!:D:D
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Charlie, I agree with you on all counts. ;)

Actually, I think that this thread has been an excellent teaching vehicle and I think we're all learning something. :thumbup::cool:
 
waynorth said:
I don't think we have a fight going here. Just some friendly discussion! :)

And as soon as everyone realizes I am completely right, we can move on!!:eek:
:D:D


JK, JK!!!:D:D
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Yep. No fightin goin on here. Although certain topics may not be popular, it is how we all expand our knowledge here. I know I've still got a lot of room to expand :D

Railsplitter said:
Howdy folks. I have been reading topics on these forums for some time but I just signed up today.

This topic has been very interesting. I really like that Smooth Ivory Bone.

I was wondering if one of you GEC #56 owners would mind posting a pic of each side of the knife with the blades closed?

Thanks!
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Welcome RS. Sorry I can't help you with the pics, but I think you will enjoy spending time here. People are always willing to answer questions and help out
 
338375 said:
...Although certain topics may not be popular, it is how we all expand our knowledge here...
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I'd say with 2,569 views (so far), this one counts as popular. ;)
 
The Dogleg i think is one of the most attractive Jack knife patterns. Very graceful lines so it's best if there is no step between tang and spring so the lines flow in the open position.
Earlier in this thread it was mentioned that it is harder to get a perfect tang/spring interface in a Dogleg as the blades are at the small end.
Hmmm --, so i pulled out a few Doglegs to have a look.
Fight'n Rooster, W. Bingham(Ulster ?), Ulster Knife Co., Winchester:

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Pic does not show it well, but all blades line up well with only minimal underblading:

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Here's 3 more: K. Erickson, Colt, Rough Rider:

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blade spines and springs line up nicely:

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and here's an AGR:

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lined up right on:

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I conclude that if these production knife companies (except for Erickson) can design the components to give a relatively smooth spine/spring meeting, then so can GEC. Had GEC taken more care with the design stage, what is a good knife would have been a standout. Too bad !
roland
 
rprocter said:
The Dogleg i think is one of the most attractive Jack knife patterns. Very graceful lines so it's best if there is no step between tang and spring so the lines flow in the open position.
Earlier in this thread it was mentioned that it is harder to get a perfect tang/spring interface in a Dogleg as the blades are at the small end.
Hmmm --, so i pulled out a few Doglegs to have a look.
Fight'n Rooster, W. Bingham(Ulster ?), Ulster Knife Co., Winchester:

I conclude that if these production knife companies (except for Erickson) can design the components to give a relatively smooth spine/spring meeting, then so can GEC. Had GEC taken more care with the design stage, what is a good knife would have been a standout. Too bad !
roland
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Just for apples/apples can you picture them from the end like all the other pictures on this thread? Also a side view with the blades closed to see the height of the run-up.
Very interesting nonetheless.
 
I have two doglegs wired into an Empire display, so can't take a picture right now. They are both at least 100 years old!! And they both have flush/nearly flush joints when open.
 
Thanks, Berkley! I've been dying to see what they look like closed ever since they came out.

Looks pretty doggone good!
 
I'd like to thank everyone who has participated in this thread. It's been informative and I've learned a lot thanks to Charlie, Elliott, Mike, and others.

Up until this thread I've kinda thought of an underbladed knife as being more or less a blemished knife; however, looking at the better part of my collection as others have done since this thread started, I've seen that quite a few of my knives are underbladed and I just haven't noticed it on many of them.

Thanks again for this great thread.
 
Modoc ED said:
I'd like to thank everyone who has participated in this thread. It's been informative and I've learned a lot thanks to Charlie, Elliott, Mike, and others...Thanks again for this great thread.
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Speaking for myself (and I'm sure the others as well), you're quite welcome.
 
What is the origin of this "under-bladed" term? Isn't this kinda like calling a short person "height challenged"?

Ohhhhhh wait....I get it. It's not a design flaw, it's a FEATURE! Yer kiddin, right?

All I know is, when making a rounded bolster knife, it isn't finished until the end of the spring is rounded over at least SOMEWHERE CLOSE to the top of the blade. Some of the examples pictured in this thread are a long way from being somewhere close. The last example that Elliott posted even shows different heights of the run-ups of both blades. When looking at old knives, if I see something like this I suspect re-bladeing or forgery because the majority of old knives that I have seen just don't look like that.

Is it possible that a generic pen blade is made and being used in multiple patterns to cut down on number of dies that are needed for production...just guessing?

Sorry, I don't mean to pee in anybody's wheaties but geeesh, I couldn't take it any longer. :D I feel better now. ;)
 
BTW and FYI, my source on the street says that it's not the run-up that wears a hole in your pockets, it's the ends of the knife that does it. If I'm lyin, I'm dyin. :p
 
KnifeHead said:
BTW and FYI, my source on the street says that it's not the run-up that wears a hole in your pockets, it's the ends of the knife that does it. If I'm lyin, I'm dyin. :p
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Does this mean I'm supposed to close 'em before putting 'em back in my pocket? Now you tell me! :p
 
Blues said:
Does this mean I'm supposed to close 'em before putting 'em back in my pocket? Now you tell me! :p
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Uhoh...we are stumbling dangerously close to a rabbit trail, somewhat related discussion of .....those thingies :eek:
 
More expensive to be sure, but here's an alternative to the under-bladed examples:

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Kerry, notice how "broad" the bolster is on the Case/Bose??
Is that required to reasonably include the higher run-up, I wonder??:confused:








(gee, these wheaties taste awful:barf:)
 
The wider bolster...that's played with a lot and some makers will make that part of the knife wider than it needs to be so that they can hide the joint. As I see it, the Case/Bose knife doesn't have a round bolster per se so the so called under-bladed issue doesn't come in to play.


(just add more milk)
 
Here's what I'm talking about. This Remington 4353 has round bolders and the end of the spring is rounded over to meet the top of the blade. Doesn't that look better. It IS better but it's harder to do.

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I know I have more examples around here somewhere....;)
 
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