Glockman99 (BFC Moderator!)- NOT ON YOUR LIFE!

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I have waited a bit to calm myself before proceeding with this post. There have been so much negative stuff going on here as of late. I guess sooner or later it will catch up with most of us. I do not start threads here much, if at all. Perhaps 1 time. Do a search. But this time I must post concerning a most negative experience I had with GLOCKMAN99.

>>>HE<<< e mailed me to offer a folder for trade with a few items I had posted in the F/S forum. I informed him from the get go that none of the items he wanted belonged to me. They were being posted for a friend. And although they were not up for trade, I told him that I would try to facilitate a potential deal for >>>HIM<<<. Over a few e mail exchanges, we discussed materials, measurements, costs, condition, and some pics and urls of the folder he was offering. I was not familiar with this folder at all. And needed info to pass onto my friend. The e mail exchanges were running in a positive direction. I had enough info to forward to my friend who expressed the willingness and gave me the green light to do the deal. During the course of these e mail exchanges with GLOCKMAN99, he extolled the virtues of this folder with enthusiasm. "...Excellent fit, excellent finish, top quality materials, excellent feel in the hand...", etc. Nothing wrong with that. Seems to me he really wanted to trade it away.

When I did e mail him that my friend gave the green light to do the deal on my end, GLOCKMAN99 later responded that "...folder ended up going to someone else who e mailed me just before you did last nite. Sorry".

Say WHAT!?!? Did I miss something??? GLOCKMAN99 e mailed me with an offer to trade! For some items >>>HE<<< wanted! But could not wait for a decision from me?!?! And let it go to someone else?!

I am now furious as I have been put in a very uncomfortable position with my friend. I gave him my word. He is not happy to say the least. For it was a tough decision for him. And that he had finally decided to proceed.

I have already corresponded with GLOCKMAN99. Bottom line is that he has expressed that he can sell his knives to anyone he chooses to. And that it was none of my business who he sells and corresponds with. Even after >>>HE<<< was the one who contacted me with an offer. No,he did not say we had a "DEAL". But give me a break!

Honor, integrity...

GLOCKMAN99, BFC Moderator has just added another topping to the crap of these recent series of negative threads.

Deal with GLOCKMAN99 again? NOT ON YOUR LIFE!



Nakano
 
...knives are like our little babies, and we love them as such...

But, we often want 'other' knives as well...and alas, lack of money being what it is, we often need to sell/trade a well loved knife to obtain our next 'love'...that's reality.

Another reality is, no matter how many times we decide not to sell/trade a knife, the time comes when we do...and once that decision is made to sell/trade our past love, we can't distance ourselves from that knife quickly enough...

Which means, when we've decided to sell/trade..it's now. Not in 10 minutes, not tomorrow, not next week...it's now, or never.

It's love, plain and simple...it's emotion, it's a rush, it's a thrill, it's what we knife collectors do...

And what we do with our property is our business. What goes on in our head while we're doing what we're doing is our business as well, and no one's business but ours.

I don't fault Glockman99 at all. I do fault you for trying to involve yourself in someone else's business. You should have shown your friend the forums, and how to post.

If he wanted to sell knives here, he should have bought a Gold membership...I did.

So, he tags onto your Gold membership, (by your own admission), and you help him out a bit...well, not enough to get bounced outta here, but still pretty much BS anyway...

At this point an offer has been made, and your friend is interested..."Hello Nakano, clue #217"...You're out of the picture now pal. You did your part, and then you step aside... "Get it?"

If you played 'Blocker' and Glockman99 couldn't get through to your friend, and if your friend was so dependent on you to do his business, and the deal went south over time...time, remember, time, that all so very critical factor in a knife transaction...(see above)

Well then, you have no one to blame but yourself.

So, stop your damn sniveling. Point the finger at the man in the mirror and STFU, bud.

(P.S. I for one, am pretty darn thankful that you gave 'careful thought' to your drivel before you posted it...it's a good thing you don't work for NASA eh?) :rolleyes:
 
Sheldon, as usual you dont have a clue what you're talking about.
You don't know Kin(nakano2) or anything about him. Do a search and see if you can find anywhere where anyone says anything bad about him or he says anything negative about anyone else. There is no doubt that it wasn't easy for him to post this, he is not a man given to public demonstrations.
Before we get to the facts, how do you know his friend has a computer? Did you know Kin was Asian? How do you know his friend speaks english? How do you know anything about how he came to post these knives for his friend?

Here's what he stated:
He stated that Glockman contacted him and offered a trade. This is important. Glockman contacted him.
He told him that the knives were his friend's and he'd ask him.
They emailed each other back and forth each detailing the knives in question on both sides as to condition, etc.
He goes to his friend and lays out the deal, friend okays it.
He emails Glockman that it's a go.
Glockman returns email saying knife is gone.

Now, unless something is missing here, when you make an offer and iron out the details, you wait for an answer. The person answering his post should have been Glockman, not you. Personally, I dont know Glockman and have never heard anything negative about him before. I would never had posted in this thread if you hadn't gone on one of your tirades(which by your own admission are usually written when you're drunk). Maybe you should heed your own advice and STFU. I'm sure Glockman can speak for himself and doesn't need you speaking for him.


Dave
 
Just a question, but why were you posting someone else's items for sale on the For Sale forums?
 
I personally like these two gentleman in question. I have dealt with both men and find them on the up and up. As a matter of fact, when I think of the two members here who really try to do the right thing I think of Kin and Dann. I hope we can cool things off.

I think we are at a critical moment here at BFC. There are just too many variables when trying to deal on the internet. Our own beloved James Mattis once said trail by the internet ends in mistrial. Small things escape us during these electronic exchanges...things like gaging the other potential buyer/trader's motives, sincereity, seriousness....etc. It is just too hard. Some deals have too many people emailing about an item. You can't judge how serious someone is about actually buying or trading for an item.

Kin was very serious about these items. Dann was trying to move these items and perhaps just didn't know if the deal was gonna go through. Maybe he had another dozen emails regarding this same item.

Who knows?

That is why I am proposing from now on unless a deal is sealed (one says, I take it, the other says SOLD or TRADED), or both parties agree to hold an item while a deal is still open. That unless the simple criteria above is made (i.e., no actual agreements) you can close the deal with another potential buyer or trader. And no posting about it if you miss one. We all miss one. We all get one. Life is too short. Reputations are too important. Kin and Dann are too good to have their names dragged through cyber mud for a knife.

Not sure if you gents agree but that is how any future transaction I make is going to be on my part. I will be right up front about it.

Shel....I like you but Kin didn't derserve that STFU thingy. And now Dave is mad and that should be avoided at all costs. If I learned one thing here in 3.5 years is not to pi$$ the big guy off.
 
And I think it's bad form to edit a post after being flamed, so I'm leaving like it is.

That being said...

Nakano, I was out of line with the "STFU" comment. I apologize for being rude to you in my post.

Dave, thanks for taking the time to post. I agree, the initial responder should have been Glockmann, not me.

I stand by the rest of my comments.

Sheldon
 
I am not quite a newbie to this forum anymore, but I have refrained from buying or trading anything until just last week. I have a deal in progress right now, a pretty simple transaction. A man posted a knife for sale, I sent him a check. I expect my knife any day now.

I have been wanting to get my gold membership so I could take part in some swapping. But to be honest, the more I read about friction over trading, the less enthusiastic I become.

We have a great thing going on here, but things are going a bit sour. We need to police ourselves better than we are doing. I would hate to see the GB&U forum be our demise.

Unless someone outright lies to me, cheats me royally, fails to pay, or something blatantly dishonest, I am not going to be whining about it on this forum.
 
Coonskinner,

I am in agreement with you. I think too many of late have turned GB&U (and the rest of BF)into their own personal bashing ground. Now, I'm not going to tell someone how to post, but as my Gandmother taught me, if you can't say something nice about someone... I wish someday I would see "Just finished a deal with so-and-so. I'm not happy with the outcome. Fell free to email me for specifics."

Would I be able to show that kind of restraint? Hopefully I'll never have to find out.

-Al-

PS: This is not a criticism about this thread starter or anyone in particular. It is just an observation on the topic of Coonskinner's post.
 
It would be interesting to see Glockman's side of the story, but let me share my gripe with another forumite.

I recently posted a knife for trade in which I was specifically looking to trade for a certain knife. I received several email offers in which one of them appeared promising. One fellow had exactly what I was looking for, so I emailed him to ask what was the condition of the knife. After a day of not hearing from him, I emailed him to to see if he had received my previous email. I got a fairly quick response which he tells me that the knife is brand new and looks great. I then email him back saying that I'm very interested in the trade. Over an hour passes, then I get an email from him saying he's not in need of the knife I had posted and asks if I was either willing to trade something else or buy his knife.

Now, keep in mind that he emailed me with an offer to trade for the knife I had posted. I had passed up other trade offers I received the day I posted the knife, because I thought this fellow was serious about the trade. Why even bother emailing me with an offer, then turning around to say that you're not in no need of the knife you responded to in the first place? :rolleyes:

Sorry, just had to vent.
 
I don't think what Nakano described has anything to do with Glockman's ability to be a moderator. It is merely his point of view. Anyway, :rolleyes: :rolleyes: right back at ya! :D
 
I was going to offer a response to Nakano 2 (Kin) here, but since I have already done so many times via email, I'll just leave it as is, with the hope that Kin will "see the light" and let it go. The trade deal between Kin (or WHOEVER, WHEREVER) and myself was NEVER called a "done deal", or finalized. Sorry, Kin...:(.

Ooops, I said that I'd just "leave it as it is".:).
 
I see nothing here that would warrant this having been taken to the GB&U forum. It seems to be just a deal that did not work out. It happens. This certainly would not cause me any hesitation in dealing with Dann.

Both the people involved in this thread are in my opinion good guys. What has happened here has done nothing to change that opinion.
 
Three interesting quotes:

"Just a question, but why were you posting someone else's items for sale on the For Sale forums?"

"Unless someone outright lies to me, cheats me royally, fails to pay, or something blatantly dishonest, I am not going to be whining about it on this forum."

"I see nothing here that would warrant this having been taken to the GB&U forum. It seems to be just a deal that did not work out."

I agree 100%; this is not the Whine and Cheese forum. :)
 
Indeed, time is of the essence on a knife deal, and I'm not professing to be a perfectionist as to this aspect of interaction myself, but to the defense of Glockman99, he and I have made a number of trades and buys.

ALL have been flawless, to the satisfaction of both, and with much enjoyable interaction in between.

I would not hesitate to do business with Dann in the future, and I probably will. He's one of our truly stand-up individuals, and a gentleman. I know that for a fact. F**k the "opinion gratuity"

AL
 
Lots of **** sandwiches around here lately, and it's sad to see.

I have had deals with both Nakano and Glockman, and both have been a pleasure to deal with.

Having said that though, it would seem that if you contact someone offering to trade, you should also have the courtesy to contact them again as soon as you have changed your mind or the item you offered to trade is no longer available. Don't wait for them to contact you and then tell them you don't want to trade...

Now, if it was Nakano and some new guy with 2 posts, I think this would be more clearly understood.

Also, I'm not clear on something, and maybe someone here knows, or maybe Spark will clear it up so that there is no misunderstanding:

Is it okay to post items for someone else, as Nakano has done?
Does it matter if you are selling, or just trading?
Spark did ask why Nakano was doing this, but he also did not make it clear that it was the wrong thing to do.
Maybe Nakano's friend does not have a computer, or does not visit this site, or some such...
If it is against the rules, surely there are extenuating circumstances...
 
Hey Kin and Dann,
You're both good guys, Ive bought knives from each of you before. Lets not get the pissing match rolling any more than it already has. Ugliness towards each other kind of spoils a true gentlemens reputation and you guys are both known for solid deals and forthright trading. I've enjoyed dealing with each of you and would not hesitate to do so in the future.;)
 
The nature of circumstances of the items I was posting for a friend need not be discussed here. It is a personal matter. I can say though, that he had not smiled for a very long time until I took this offer of trade to him. But now...

I have corresponded with Spark already. And all is just fine.

GLOCKMAN, I would like to know what it is that you meant from the following quote verbatim from the very *FIRST* email you sent me concerning this entire matter:

"Have I got a deal for you!. I have a really NICE "Lefty" Don Maxwell custom folder that I'd trade you for your following 3 items (if you still have them all):..."

Define.

Nakano
 
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