Glockman99 (BFC Moderator!)- NOT ON YOUR LIFE!

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Kin,

...Ever hear the American expression that is something to the effect of "beating a dead horse"?

It's done. Get over it. I tried to apologize to you in our MANY email banterings back and forth, and so now it's time to put this to rest, on my part, so this is all you will hear from me further on this matter. Rant on if you feel that it will help you somehow.

Good day.
 
Hey !
I just completed a deal with Glockman,
(Who would shoot a Glock AKA: Combat Tupperware!!!
when you could shoot a Sig Sauer !!!!!!!!)
And the transaction was a honest, up front,
deal from the beginning.
Also , I think I have delt with Nakano before.
that deal went Excellent.!.!.!
You guy's have to ask yourself, :
What would Larry Flint do in a situation like this !!!
Hey ! you'r both nice guy's, "Spank the Monkey"
and let it go !!!!!
mike/reno
;) :D :) :cool: :rolleyes:
 
What ranting GLOCKMAN? I am presenting the facts as they occurred. After you informed me that you went with a better offer (not like I made any offer to you to begin with!) with another member, I e- mailed you twice and forwarded 2 copies for you to re read so that you can refresh your memory. None of them were what you call "bantering". They were civil straitforward messages. I still have those e mails as I' m sure you still do...

You e mailed me 3 times after stating you went with another trade. You only wrote that you were sorry if you caused any problems. But at the same time held strong your position that you had finalized no deal, that you agreed to no shipping arrangements, that who you corresponded with and sold to was none of my business, that I was being petty(!), and that you hope I find a life outside of these forums. In essence, you stated no wrong doing. And even IF you were/ are apologizing you still have made no indication/ acknowledgement of what you did wrong. And if you still feel you did nothing wrong, why then would you apologize as you said you did so many times in our e mail exchanges???

Your posts on this thread reflects your same attitude in our e mail correspondences. One of simple dismissal with the proverbial wave of the hand. As if it was of no consequence.

Again, your opening statement in your first e mail to me as quoted verbatim in my previous post above speaks for itself...
 
I don't recall ever having traded, bought or sold from either of you. Nor do I recall anything ever having been said negative about either of you.

Nakano,

You quoted Dann as saying, "...have I got a deal for you..."

You do understand that this is a very common phrase and basically has nothing to do with saying, "we have a deal."

Right?

Sorry you had to go through all of the trouble, etc., surely, from what you post, it appears to have been a misunderstanding.

If you do not equate "have I got a deal for you" with "we have a deal," then why quote that remark?
 
Greetings Don. We have only corresponded by e mail in the past.

It is a quite obvious that not any transaction can be sealed with an opening statement from the very first correspondence. How can it???That individual making the offer must allow for a response first. Correct?

"Don, do I have a deal for you!! I have a NIT Rekat Sifu that I know you will want! If you still have that CS Vaquero Grande, I' d trade you for it!".

"Nakano, I sure do have that Vaquero Grande. It is still posted at BFC. I have a Sifu already. But would really like another. Done deal. Give me your shipping info".

"Sorry Don, I went with a better offer. And that person e mailed me just before you did". :eek: :eek: :eek:


The above example is much the same as what occurred recently. But for the lack of knowledge of the folder being offered to me, I needed to collect info to pass on to the owner. Simply part of the process, really. I am much more sorry than some will ever know that I got my friend involved.

Now as for the opening sentence that GLOCKMAN emailed to me. I read that as him definitely wanting the 3 items I had posted. And that he would trade me the folder he had offered if I still had those said 3 items. It' s not that complicated I don' think. Nor is there any miscommunication. Or am I missing some hidden message in there?
:confused:
 
Nakano 2,

I think you got what you deserved for posting a knife that didn't belong to you.

It's time for you to stop whining.
 
Originally posted by RGRAY
Nakano 2,

I think you got what you deserved for posting a knife that didn't belong to you.

It's time for you to stop whining.
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Heard that. This really needs to be over.

AL
 
Thanks Spark and RGRAY!

Posting for other people sould be a "NO NO" (consequences?)

I paid my yearly dues and so should everyone that wants to sell on BF.

I probably will not renew my Gold Membership because Im tired of dealing with "lowballers", teenagers, whiners, people who want something for nothing, and people who settle a deal and then say "I have to check to make sure my friend still has the knife you want"...and many many others.

Every time I post something for sale, 1 out of 10 inquiries might be a serious one. The rest come from ignorant people that think they can outsmart you. Personally I find this offensive.

I have made some contacts here and from now on I will contact them directly as opposed to posting. It is much better than dealing with underage punks and ignorant greedy people.....

Thanks

Bill
 
You're right, Rick doesn't pull punches. However, he does not tp pull his head out of his self-rightous butt.

Rick, Kin is simply using the forum to discuss a transaction he did here at BFC. He already talked to Spark about the use of the forum to list knives for others. You don't know the details so back off and go play elsewhere. That was highly uncalled for.

JR
 
All you people whining about Kin posting somebody else's knife, note that Spark asked him about it, Kin posted that he spoke to Spark about it and he's ok about it, and notice Spark hasn't come back to this thread about it.
This episode was obviously a misunderstanding between 2 good men, another search reveals both have outstanding reps.

Dave
 
Originally posted by Jeremy Reynolds
... He already talked to Spark about the use of the forum to list knives for others. You don't know the details so back off and go play elsewhere. That was highly uncalled for. JR
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JR, I see you are a student, but not to smart.

Kin talked to Spark AFTER he had posted the knife for a friend and Spark posted here.

He should have talked to Spark FIRST.

I call them like I see them. :)

DO NOT POST KNIVES FOR SALE THAT DON'T BELONG TO YOU!

It is not right to the members who pay.
 
Bill, I hear you, but I still believe 99.9999999% of all deals on BF, whether they be Trades,sales or a purchase can and do go off smoothly. It's that very small percentage that make it seem worse. The solution is to just SHUT DOWN GB&U.

If you cannot come here and vent, rant, rave, Whine, and even CRY after you believe you have been wronged, whyNOT just eliminate GB&U altogether.

Another CONSTANT that the archives have proven besides the "Lack of Communication issues", is that NO MATTER how hard, long, or Loud you Bitch, moan, whine and complain, NOTHING Changes.

If you post for a Month about getting SCREWED in a Deal, you remain SCREWED after the dust settles.

So WHAT GOOD does GB&U serve anyway? Yeah, someone will say it identifies the scumbags, but several of them still wheel and deal on BF and after SCREWING another formite. SPARK does not even appear to issue a light spanking.

So why even have a GB&U? TED WOODS is still out there screwing, Allen Blade still owes lots to lots, Chuck griffin is very active, and Su..........never mind.............Ira
 
Wolfmann, if you do a little reading you will find many complaints posted here cause difficulties to be resolved, with web dealers as well as with members who trade here.

If you are aware of anyone trading here after screwing a member name him. It is not our business to spank anyone; we are not parents and the members are not children, but we do ban members and we ban them again if they sneak back under another name.
 
Here is my question, what are the rules?

The only rule I see posted is "Basic Members: This forum is now closed to new threads, new ads require Gold Membership (07-11-2001 until 08-11-2003)"

Nothing about "selling for friends"

Nothing about "standard trade rules", "when is a deal a deal", "how to grade condition", "right of inspection", "3 day return periods"

or many of the other subjects which seem to cause consternation on a regular basis.

As things are set up, it is up to the individual parties to establish the criteria for their deals. It seems to work very well in most cases.

If an individual does not live up to the agreement than they should be taken to task and this forum would be appropriate. Not sure this case rises to that level though.

What I do find curious though is the venom Nakano received for posting for a friend. The rule only states "must have Gold membership to place ads". Nothing else. No other conditions or restrictions stated (other than complying with the law, if there are additional rules they are well hidden). The self rightousness exhibited in taking him to task for this "violation of BF" strikes me as being a little silly.
 
Gentlebeings, I would like to remind everyone this website has a rule against personal attacks. We allow a little slack on TGB&U for the participants in transactions, for obvious reasons, but those reasons don't apply to members who choose to post comments on transactions they are not involved in. If you want to post personal attacks go to the Whine & Cheese forum, or tell each other how stupid you are in email -- this forum isn't the place for that. I know it's difficult sometimes, but we're trying to have a rational discussion here....
 
Agreed Cougar. Unfortunately, it is one of the moderators who is really being nasty, and he's pretty much known for that.
Normally a gold member doesn't/shouldn't post knives for sale for other people. This was an exceptional situation that Spark seems to be ok with but obviously it's not good enough for others. The details have been made known to the owner of this site, they will not be made public here, so why cant people let it go if Spark's ok with it?

People, there's a problem here, and maybe I'm a part of it too. If things keep on the way they have been this place is getting like Knifeforums before James Knowka bought it, or rec knives before that. We're starting to self-destruct from the inside.

Dave
 
I don't know about everyone else but I use it to rate people and score a possible deal.

I use a 0-5 scoring basing the score on positive feedback specifically from others in BFC whom I've dealt with or know to have good reps. If 5 Members I consider 'Good Guys' have vouched for someone I slam a deal home without a second thought. Sure I've done some blind trades/sales and even shipped knives prior to money received without knowing someone by going by my 'gut' but the scoring helps tremendously to hone the ability to decrease the odds of bad things happening.

Surprisingly in the deals I've done I had trouble on only one... Which resolved itself though it was months after the fact.

I count myself part lucky but I also do a bunch of homework right here. I may ignore other forums for awhile but I come here consistently and keep a running track record in my head and I think a lot of successful sellers/traders do the same.

Quite simply, G,B & U is about the only way to 'objectify' a plethora of subjective information and come out on top on the majority of deals.

Personally, I find it an invaluable tool.

Shawn
 
Originally posted by bandaidman
Here is my question, what are the rules?

The only rule I see posted is "Basic Members: This forum is now closed to new threads, new ads require Gold Membership (07-11-2001 until 08-11-2003)"

Nothing about "selling for friends"

Nothing about "standard trade rules", "when is a deal a deal", "how to grade condition", "right of inspection", "3 day return periods"

or many of the other subjects which seem to cause consternation on a regular basis.

As things are set up, it is up to the individual parties to establish the criteria for their deals. It seems to work very well in most cases.

If an individual does not live up to the agreement than they should be taken to task and this forum would be appropriate. Not sure this case rises to that level though.

What I do find curious though is the venom Nakano received for posting for a friend. The rule only states "must have Gold membership to place ads". Nothing else. No other conditions or restrictions stated (other than complying with the law, if there are additional rules they are well hidden). The self rightousness exhibited in taking him to task for this "violation of BF" strikes me as being a little silly.
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Should we be petty enough to make a list of rules for everyone to adhere to, or should we allow the Gold members to use discretion in their for sale postings. You decide. I personally like the way things are now.

Common sense tells me that posting items for another person, who is NOT a paid member, is unfair, and just plain wrong. The Gold members all stepped up to the plate to help support this place, and allowing non members, or non gold members to post their items for sale thru another member is circumventing the rules.

While we are on the subject, the only other steadfast rule in the for sale forums is no posting of links to other commercials websites.

We CAN make a laundry list of rules to live by if thats what it takes, but I think that allowing the Gold members to use common sense is the way to go.

You decide.
 
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