i reskimmed all of gonzos posts on this thread (only skimmed, so i'm probably missing quite a few. i know i remember some statments that i didn't find while skimming, so i either missed them or they are elsewhere, and not included here)
here is a list of quotes, and some explanations on my part as to why they are bogus.
i have limited these quoes (well, with the exception of one) to his products, he also made plenty of other statements which i couldn't possibly all cover here.
"The M-3 is a "knock out" light with more than 815 lumen" --- he later goes onto say that the m3 *bulb* is rated at 331.97lumens, i'll explain later why that isn't accurate either.
there is just no way in hell that this light could ever be anywhere close to 800lumens.
"WATER PROOF 150 FEET" (in reference to the m3) --- this is his first claim on this thread, he changes it several times.
"SPECIAL BORO" (in reference to the lens) --- gonzo apparently can't decide what kind of lens his light uses. he's called it boro, boroflo, and boroflow. later responses will go into more detail about what he meant to say, and what it is.
"THAT TRANSMITS 99 PERCENT OF THE LIGHT" (in reference to his boroflo/boroflow lens) --- this is crap. boroflo
at lenses can be found at
www.flashlightlens.com, and they are somewhere around 92%, not 99%. optical coatings will help, but not much. more information about different types of lenses can be found in that link. elsewhere it appears as if gonzo is describing
ucl lenses (these are 99% transparent, and are 2mm thick (at least flashlightlenses are))
"n the future we will not respond to any negative posts." (this was said on the very first page of this thread) --- ok, this doesn't really pertain to the light, but i thought it was dam funny. apparently he was reffering to posts that were
negative about his lights, not negative about him.
"We are claiming 120 feet" (in reference to the m2 and m3) --- (if i recall correctly, somone (tedbear?) tested two units in a pool, and at least one of which leaked)
"Just for the facts today We had tested the light M-3 bulbs at 9 volt and the reading is: 9 Volt, 53.56 CP. = 673.24 lumen at 3,199 Kelvin. that is fact, Certified." --- it is possible that this information is true, but i would like to point out that if the bulb is rated at 673 lumens, the runtime will be
extremely short (surefire uses 6 123 batteries (2 sets of 3) and gets 20minutes). furthermore, the optical system is not 100% efficient, and probably around 20% (this is just a guess, it also depends on reflector coatings (which i would venture are either non-existant or crappy) and other issues. one must also account for batteries. i'd imagine after running the thing for one minute you get considerably less light.
i'd also like to point out that another person who purchased this light stated it was putting out somewhere around the neighborhood of 130lumens. this could be using the "lob" (low output bulb), but with gonzo, who knows?
that being said, from the people i've talked to and what i've read, the m3 bulb (as it comes stock, a better bulb should help), is only about as bright as a 2cell surefire.
"we also measured the M-2 lights Xenon bulbs: 6 Volt, 26.41 CP. = 331,97 lumen." --- read above. if this information were true, i would assume somewhere in the mid 200's was the actuall output, but from what i've read, the output just plain sucks.
"Watterproof 130 feet" (in reference to the m2 and m3) --- oh boy, looks like we came back up again
"Watter proof 130 feet" --- finally! a match!!!
"The lens is special Boroflo from Germany" --- from what i've googled up, "boroflo" is some sort of plant fertilizer??? the correct term is *borofloat*, at least in english, it may not be so in one of the other seven languages gonzo speaks. furthermore, by some reports (
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/ub...d=allposts&Main=292990&Search=true#Post292990) the lens is some sort of polycarbonate.
"the manufacturer gives us the data and to re-assure the numbers, we had it tested by a reputable lab." --- he later goes on to say that his lights are still in testing, and has shown no proof that they have been tested, despite frequent questioning. he conviently misses these quesions.
"The lenses are of Boroflow" --- seems to be another spelling of the plant fertilizer (
http://www.nutriag.com/FABs/boroflow.htm), again, i'd like to point out that gonzo means to say "borofloat"
"When, We have the full lab test completed, than we will post it" --- (this was said almost halfway through this thread, loooong after other claims that his products had been independantly verified) (there is stiiiill no proof of this)
"WATTER PROOF ALL THE LIGHTS 120 FEET DEPTH, SALT OR FRESHWATER" --- apprantely they've been downgraded again. this is the most recent spec
"We are testing the new M-10 Comet and the others with the new 3 inch diameter and 3 inch deep culminating reflectors, that iluminates a Stop sign at 1,000 meters." --- i would just like to point out that this can be done with quite a few flashlights on the market.
"If in a Year You have to replace the bulb in the Surefire every month it costs you $300.00 to $360.00 per Year and is not focusable and no spare bulb in the unit." --- would just like to point out that surefire la's last quite a long time...much more than a couple months with average use
"WE can build the light beyond 500 if you need it!" --- bull. it's certainly possible to build a light can go 500ft (and they do exist), but his design would need to be *totally* reworked.
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also, some other notes i'd like to make: (most of which are quite obvious by now)
-still no real proof that these products actually exist other than a in a small quantity
-though they are supposedly being distributed into government channels, we've seen no proof that this is so (and i'd be surprised, and very dissapointed if it were!)
-no lab results
-no location
-outstanding issues still not resolved
-unable to find any place to purchase these lights other than from gonzo himself (even if i wanted one of these lights (i don't!), i would never purchase from him)
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aside from all of his product misinformation, there is an abundance of other ignorant remarks and comments, including (but not limited too): trolls, dwarfs, hair dye, nazis, plumbers, beggers, baggers, commies, russians, racists, sexists, and terrorists.
in summary: i'll have what gonzo is having
