Goodbye my friend....

Hi Giorgos -

Sorry to see that knife broken, it was a real beauty.

As has been said, there are some manufacturers that will warrant batoning with a knife.

I cannot claim any metallurgic insight - but those dark marks are curious to say the least.

I can see where batoning with a knife is a fair and reasonable use of a knife under the right circumstances.

The subject (ie to baton or not to baton) always opens up a can of worms.

It was said best above - it is up to the manufacturer to determine if the knife was being used as it was intended and if there would be a warranted replacement.

I would be remiss if I did not mention that you might look at a JK Handmade knife to replace your broken tool. I have never heard of anyone breaking a JK knife. John's knives are also reasonably priced and he can make your specific design if you prefer.

Good luck!

best regards -

mqqn
 
Giorgos said:
...I was camping at -14c in a snowy forest...
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I'll repeat my assertion that the cold probably plays a bigger role in failures of this type than many are willing to acknowledge. This statement isn't directed at the OP, just a general observation. Regardless, it can be very helpful, no matter the make of knife, if you can warm the blade up a bit before using it aggressively in sub zero conditions. Get a small fire going with the wood on hand at first and then gently warm the blade a bit before tackling the balance of the splitting duties. Even just putting the knife and sheath close to your body while setting up camp and gathering the firewood to be split can make a difference.
 
Do they not warranty a knife that was broken from batoning with wood ?

I don't know much about there warranty, but I would for sure send the knife back and see what they say. Just tell how it broke, and they should take care of it.
It can't hurt.
I would love to find out what they tell you, if you don't mind letting us know.

If they won't warranty it, just buy you a Busse. They wouldn't even ask you how it broke, and would just send you another. I think Esee and Becker would as well.
 
I wonder if Fallkniven might be interested in seeing that broken blade just froma QC standpoint. Those black spots look like carbon inclusions?
 
Giorgos !

I just had an email from , Peter Hjortberger , Fällkniven , he has read this thread , and seen the pictures , he asked me
to ask if it would be possible for the knife be sent back to the company for inspection , they would be really interested
in inspecting it to learn more about it , as this could help them to improve their knives in the future .



His email.
info@fallkniven.se

1234,,,,,,,:)
 
I knew fallkniven would make good on that knife.

As to the cold creating brittleness in steel for hard use, I have an old axe manual and the pamphlet that came with my wetterlings lg hunter. They say that the axe should be warmed slightly by various methods including body heat before use in extreme cold.

Makes me think that if I was in very cold weather to put my sheathed knife in my coat tucked into pants for awhile before batonning or heavy chopping if i did not have an axe.(which in snowy terrain would be about 5% chance)
 
Ken44 said:
Do they not warranty a knife that was broken from batoning with wood ?

I don't know much about there warranty, but I would for sure send the knife back and see what they say. Just tell how it broke, and they should take care of it.
It can't hurt.
I would love to find out what they tell you, if you don't mind letting us know.

If they won't warranty it, just buy you a Busse. They wouldn't even ask you how it broke, and would just send you another. I think Esee and Becker would as well.
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Here is what they say about the warranty taken directly from there website


Warranty
We offer a two-year limited warranty covering defects in materials and manufacture, i.e. faults that occur during manufacture but which are not noticed until the blade is used. We will repair or replace the affected blade. The warranty is void if the blade is used incorrectly – the knife is intended for cutting with and is not for twisting, bending, chopping or hitting. We believe our knives are extremely tough, but every tool has its limits. Discoloring caused by blood, salt-water, or other corrosive substances is not covered by the warranty, nor is a broken tip. The warranty does not include the sheath.
 
I'm glad they are interested in seeing the failure. The knives they make seem nice, but the above warranty CANNOT compete with ESEE or many others. I would be afraid to use a knife with that warranty except to slice apples or something. I know their knives are capable of heavy work and they have a large fanbase for a reason, but that's a very "delicate" warranty for a knife to be used in a "survival" situation. ESEE provides the no questions asked warranty so you won't be afraid to use their knives hard and I like that. That's also why I like my HI khuks. I have beat some pretty hard and knowing HI backs them up so well makes me willing to get out and use/enjoy them. Good knives aren't cheap to replace. I don't want to step on any toes, but that warranty kind of surprises me. I hope they replace it. It is a very nice looking knife. Take care.
 
Yeah, try a Becker or Esee. I love my Becker 7.
On the other hand, the grain structure on that is really clean, it shouldn't have broken, it's a good piece of steel. Faulty heattreat wouldn't have produced a grain structure that uniform.
 
Dang, that was a nice looking knife, sorry it broke! I have used my Busse knives to baton some pretty tough firewood and never had a problem, take a look at some of their offerings.
 
I've seen a lot of threads about chopping wood with knives but this one really takes the cake.

Sometimes the world of knife enthusiasts can be a very strange place.

What I'm reading is that sometimes a knife is a BETTER tool for chopping firewood than a hatchet. In all my years of camping, and all the wood I've chopped for fires, under various weather conditions, I've never once said to myself "Damn, I wish I had a big knife instead of this lousy hatchet!"

What I'm also reading is that by beating a knife until it breaks, against the manufacturers specific instructions, that it has somehow fulfilled it's knife destiny and died a glorious death. As if the only two options were to leave the knife in a drawer or beat on it till it breaks. I'm sure that if that knife had been used as it was designed to be used that it would have provided a lifetime of service and could have been passed on to future generations to provide them with a lifetime of service. Instead, it's now useless garbage.

I guess I was raised in an unusual manner. I was raised to always choose the right tool for the job. Naturally if you're in a survival situation you use whatever you have. But CHOOSING a knife to chop wood makes about as much sense to me as choosing a pipe wrench to hammer nails.

I understand that some people are REALLY into knives. That they REALLY love their knives. That they want to use their knives for any and all possible tasks. That they want to believe that their beloved knife is some kind of "SUPER TOOL" that can do anything. That they want to be able to brag about how tough their knife is and all the abuse they are able to throw at it. And of course it's your knife and you can do whatever you want with it. And I honestly couldn't care less. But it seems to me that in their "knife knut" fervor that some people have completely abandoned reasonable thought and departed from reality.

What I see is a very nice knife that died a pointless death. Just my opinion. Worth what you paid for it.
 
1234 said:
Giorgos !

I just had an email from , Peter Hjortberger , Fällkniven , he has read this thread , and seen the pictures , he asked me
to ask if it would be possible for the knife be sent back to the company for inspection , they would be really interested
in inspecting it to learn more about it , as this could help them to improve their knives in the future .

His email.
info@fallkniven.se

1234,,,,,,,:)
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numerals came through again! Nicely done, good karma is on the way.
RD,,,, :D
 
I would cry. I would buy another one though. I would never baton a knife, except in emergencies. If I go afield, and need firemaking and woodcutting tools, I'll take appropriate gear.
 
gaaah bummer !
i have an F1 and it's my favorite fixed blade, that thing is so trong i trust it 100% and as you said, it's my go to the wood knife i always take with me (instead of my rat3 )
i'm curious about the defects in the blade you show, that's something to investigate i think..
as people said before, look into an ESEE or a becker, they are very strong ( but no stainless like the f1 :( )
 
You don't need me to point out that this (bold below) makes you a total outlier here... :(

I was reared and educated the same way, too, by the way...

killgar said:
I've seen a lot of threads about chopping wood with knives but this one really takes the cake.

Sometimes the world of knife enthusiasts can be a very strange place.

What I'm reading is that sometimes a knife is a BETTER tool for chopping firewood than a hatchet. In all my years of camping, and all the wood I've chopped for fires, under various weather conditions, I've never once said to myself "Damn, I wish I had a big knife instead of this lousy hatchet!"

What I'm also reading is that by beating a knife until it breaks, against the manufacturers specific instructions, that it has somehow fulfilled it's knife destiny and died a glorious death. As if the only two options were to leave the knife in a drawer or beat on it till it breaks. I'm sure that if that knife had been used as it was designed to be used that it would have provided a lifetime of service and could have been passed on to future generations to provide them with a lifetime of service. Instead, it's now useless garbage.

I guess I was raised in an unusual manner. I was raised to always choose the right tool for the job. Naturally if you're in a survival situation you use whatever you have. But CHOOSING a knife to chop wood makes about as much sense to me as choosing a pipe wrench to hammer nails.

I understand that some people are REALLY into knives. That they REALLY love their knives. That they want to use their knives for any and all possible tasks. That they want to believe that their beloved knife is some kind of "SUPER TOOL" that can do anything. That they want to be able to brag about how tough their knife is and all the abuse they are able to throw at it. And of course it's your knife and you can do whatever you want with it. And I honestly couldn't care less. But it seems to me that in their "knife knut" fervor that some people have completely abandoned reasonable thought and departed from reality.

What I see is a very nice knife that died a pointless death. Just my opinion. Worth what you paid for it.
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Pictures may show a void towards the edge and an an initial crack at the spine that acted as a stress-riser, leading to the ultimate sudden failure (the silvery, frosted area in the middle of the fracture).

Any knife can be broken. Pine knots have harvested many cutting tools over the centuries. That's why many suggest "overbuilt" knives as primary survival knives. Others like SAK "Classics." 0___0
 
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