Got pulled over last night...

BenLong1018 said:
Maybe just in case a situation like this happens again just carry one knife instead of three because most of us barely need one let alone three.
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Did you seriously just say that? It's not a crime to carry sub 4" knives in our great state, why should I limit myself to only carry one? What do you EDC? Why don't you stop carrying half of it just because a situation may take place at some time in the future. It's extremely rare that I break a driving law, I drive a 5500#, 20 year old truck so I don't speed or drive wreckless, I don't push my luck with yellow lights and I don't pull "California stops" at signs, I've had exactly zero points on my license in my life (I'm 26) and as far as my insurance is concerned I'm in the very bottom bracket as far as elevated risk. The only reason I committed the violation was because I was on an unfamilure section of freeway coming home from dropping my aunt off at the hospital to stay with my 87 year old grandmother after picking her up from her flight to Columbus. The double white line had ended so I figured it was safe to exit but apparently even tho the double white ended there was a sign I didn't see that prohibited exit from the lane I was in. The traffic violation was an honest mistake and I have no issue with paying the ticket but don't tell me I need to carry less [100% legal to own and carry] knives for possible future situations.

And BTW I was actually carrying 4 knives. Not to mention I really couldn't get by with just one, I honestly do need at the very minimum two for the normal work I do. I also carry 2 flashlights and two pairs of gloves, maybe I should only carry one light and one single glove? Afterall lights and gloves are commonly used by criminals, probabily more so than knives :(
 
While i do not live in Ohio i live in the Communist republic of New York(Upstate) so i can only speak to NYS laws. Could an officer charge you?, yes would it be a conviction absolutely not. Even in New York we have the "any dangerous knife" law and just carrying a knife for every day purpose would never get you in trouble(at least in upstate). Typically these laws are based on intent and reserved for the appropriate person sitting on the corner slinging dope.
 
BenLong1018 said:
Maybe just in case a situation like this happens again just carry one knife instead of three because most of us barely need one let alone three.
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Oh tell me you did NOT just actually say something like that! I've read a lot of questionable things on here before, but I think this is really high up on the list. Did you seriously just tell somebody not to carry more than one knife at any given time, because from your own personal experience nobody has need for more than a single knife? What kind of ignorance is that anyway? Do you also advise pedestrians on foot to leave their knife at home when they might have to walk into the post office for something? Or maybe you advocate Gerbers for EDC?

What kind of anti self-reliance nonsense is this? Have we got a Wal-Mart supervisor on these forums or something?
 
I am interested to know what would of happened if you were carrying a properly licensed handgun. I live in a country where it is mostly illegal to own firearms,but from what i see on TV and YouTube EDC videos a large proportion of your fellow countrymen and women routinely carry handguns.
 
Kymco said:
I am interested to know what would of happened if you were carrying a properly licensed handgun. I live in a country where it is mostly illegal to own firearms,but from what i see on TV and YouTube EDC videos a large proportion of your fellow countrymen and women routinely carry handguns.
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This actually depends on the state. Nearly all states have some method of allowing regular citizens to carry handguns concealed. Most, like Ohio, require a permit. However, in most states this permit only allows the handgun and not any other weapon that is normally prohibited. Yes it makes no sense but that's how so many laws were written!
 
Hey C-K, I wondering if I mis-read this, but did he confiscate some of the knives? The way I read one of your posts, he did.
 
zzyzzogeton said:
Hey C-K, I wondering if I mis-read this, but did he confiscate some of the knives? The way I read one of your posts, he did.
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No, he took them from me but didn't confiscate them. Like I said we both sat in the [front] of his cruiser, after I signed my ticket and the stop was over we both exited the cop car, walked back to the truck where he set the knives down in my seat before I climbed back in and drove away.

I did find it pretty silly he didn't just hand them back to me especially considering I still had two on my that he didn't take. Again he held onto the 710 and Domino but I kept my Byrd hawkbill and spyderco manbug the whole time.
 
Kymco said:
I am interested to know what would of happened if you were carrying a properly licensed handgun. I live in a country where it is mostly illegal to own firearms,but from what i see on TV and YouTube EDC videos a large proportion of your fellow countrymen and women routinely carry handguns.
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I let it lapse (dont have a small handgun anymore) but I had my CWP for awhile and one time I was stopped, when the stop was over (that time I sat in my car after he took my gun) he walked around to the passenger side, opened the door, set the gun on the seat (which he unloaded) and then put the mag and the loose round he removed from the chamber in my glove box. He told me to not reach for it and just drive off.
 
I'm missing something here and I don't know the model knives referred to, but in most states, common pocket knives (even assisted openers) are exempt from concealed weapons laws. My state specifically states the exemption. Just curious.
Rich
 
Rich S said:
I'm missing something here and I don't know the model knives referred to, but in most states, common pocket knives (even assisted openers) are exempt from concealed weapons laws. My state specifically states the exemption. Just curious.
Rich
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Surely you know all states have different laws? Ohio has no pocket knife exception. It's one of the only states that doesn't have one expression or implied. One state over in Indiana, you carry any knife you want, even daggers and switchblades. That's how crazy varied the US is.
 
Well .. I am not going to speak for Ohio laws. Not going to read or try to decipher it for you Cereal Killer, but YES ... I would/can charge you for EVERY weapon you're in possession of if said possession is illegal. The prosecutor decides if he wants to proceed with each charge or combine those charges. The Judge decides if/how he will sentence you for each charge (if convicted on each).

As for Georgia .. you can own/carry any knife (open or concealed) as long as it's BLADE is less than 5" from hilt to tip. Longer than 5", you must possess a carry permit. You can possess/carry any knife (even without a carry permit) on your own property, inside your vehicle, or you place of business. Exceptions: govt properties.
 
bonafide said:
Well .. I am not going to speak for Ohio laws. Not going to read or try to decipher it for you Cereal Killer, but YES ... I would/can charge you for EVERY weapon you're in possession of if said possession is illegal. The prosecutor decides if he wants to proceed with each charge or combine those charges. The Judge decides if/how he will sentence you for each charge (if convicted on each).

As for Georgia .. you can own/carry any knife (open or concealed) as long as it's BLADE is less than 5" from hilt to tip. Longer than 5", you must possess a carry permit. You can possess/carry any knife (even without a carry permit) on your own property, inside your vehicle, or you place of business. Exceptions: govt properties.
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Here in Ohio the blade length limit for a folder is 4", each of the knives I had were under that, therefore the issue is can I be charged for concealing a 100% LEGAL to carry knife just because its in my pocket? Also here CWP's do NOT cover any weapons other than handguns, so there is no such thing as a weapons permit that covers larger knives.

I have an off topic issue I'd like to discuss with you if you're a Georgia LEO, can I email you?
 
I'd be curious to know whether clipped blades would be considered concealed or not. I know in NY, clipped is not concealed. I thought I saw other cases where clipped was ruled not concealed in court because some part of the knife was visible. Probably would depend on the judge and cost a lot of money to find out.

Jordan
 
Cereal_killer said:
Here in Ohio the blade length limit for a folder is 4", each of the knives I had were under that, therefore the issue is can I be charged for concealing a 100% LEGAL to carry knife just because its in my pocket? Also here CWP's do NOT cover any weapons other than handguns, so there is no such thing as a weapons permit that covers larger knives.

I have an off topic issue I'd like to discuss with you if you're a Georgia LEO, can I email you?
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From what I've read and understand, the officer in question can charge you for whatever the hell he wants.

Whether or not the prosecutor wants to go through with it, and whether or not said officer will be allowed to keep his job in the aftermath of making a false arrest and tying up the court's time and resources for no justified reason, is another story entirely.
 
Cereal_killer said:
Here in Ohio the blade length limit for a folder is 4", each of the knives I had were under that, therefore the issue is can I be charged for concealing a 100% LEGAL to carry knife just because its in my pocket? Also here CWP's do NOT cover any weapons other than handguns, so there is no such thing as a weapons permit that covers larger knives.

I have an off topic issue I'd like to discuss with you if you're a Georgia LEO, can I email you?
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There should be a statute or case law that explains or defines concealing within your State and/or US Circuit Court district.

You are welcome to email or PM me .. but I'm not sure what I can answer for you that's not readily available to you on the internet. How I police or what I would charge someone with will vary from one LEO to another. We're not robots and we often argue and contradict one another. There's always "Officer's Discretion" .. but failing to uphold/enforce the law can definitely violate your oath of office.
 
Cereal_killer said:
Here in Ohio the blade length limit for a folder is 4", each of the knives I had were under that, therefore the issue is can I be charged for concealing a 100% LEGAL to carry knife just because its in my pocket?
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Hate to be "well actually" guy, but that 4" thing is incorrect. There is no blade length limit anywhere in Chapter 2923 of the Ohio Revised Code. The law literally just says it's illegal to carry a "deadly weapon" and the definition of that term is nearly worthless and can apply to anything you can kill someone with. The courts have upheld this for knives as small as 1.5", though in all cases the perp was doing something way more suspicious that a mere traffic violation (e.g. casing an empty factory at 2am).

If a knife is "100% Legal" then no, you cannot be charged for it. Or rather you can, but the prosecutor is going to throw it out the moment he sees it and cop risks being taken to federal court for false arrest and/or fired. We had a cop here in Maryland lose his badge for making an arrest for a folder. But keep in mind in Maryland we have a specific, obvious exception for folders in the statute (Ohio does not) that the cop should have known about, and either was ignorant (thus unqualified to enforce the law since he doesn't know it) or willfully ignored (corruption).
 
More people get in trouble by offering too much information. The officer asked you if you had any weapons. Knives, especially in Ohio, should always be considered as tools. So your answer should have been a simple "NO". Ohio law is very vague and apparently it matters a lot on whether or not the individual carries the knife as a tool or a weapon.
 
Glad it all went well for you. I agree with the post above mine, in that you should never call you knife a weapon or admit it is for self defense. In many states that wording can change things against you. I do favor informing an officer of what you possess if he ask you to leave the car. Your best response is that you do not have any weapons, but you do carry a knife. Have a non weapon reason for carrying it to offer up if asked.
 
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