Got pulled over last night...

If you are not in breach of any laws then no charges, but as the OP stated, he was breaching by carrying several knives. The officer used discretion and he got a warning. Seems pretty simple to me.

As for the officers deciding/enforcing laws, everybody complains about abuse of authority when they aren't the ones that get the warnings...

Have fun hating the law sirupatespecial...
 
If you are not in breach of any laws then no charges, but as the OP stated, he was breaching by carrying several knives. The officer used discretion and he got a warning. Seems pretty simple to me.

As for the officers deciding/enforcing laws, everybody complains about abuse of authority when they aren't the ones that get the warnings...

Have fun hating the law sirupatespecial...

Have fun hating the proles k1ssthecook



I guess you and your ilk solve a lot of crimes when you pull folks over for improper merging. Here in the state's we have a little thing called the Constitution and it, supposedly, denies, that's right, denies, illegal search and seizure. But our courts have apparently decided that if an officer has "probable cause" then he can do pretty much what he want's. I disagree.

So, just write the ticket....is that so dang hard. What did the officer in this particular stop accomplish? Anything? No.
I don't have any problem with cops. As long as they respect my rights. But that's too hard to understand.

Just write the ticket....Again, you're worried about your safety when you are armed with a handgun, pepperspray, baton, knife probably have a shotgun in the trunk maybe an "assault rifle". You're coming up from behind someone, with lights flashing and you've run their plate....AND YOU ARE SCARED....give me a break. All because they merged improperly.

And you wonder why I question the law...really
 
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Some of us probably would, but I don't think any of us would be able to tolerate letting a service partner get away with some of the misconduct we've seen in the news. The fact that they cover for each other rather than using their own God given gift of common sense to stop a clearly illegal act does nothing to inspire confidence. The one case I've been able to find where an officer did just that and tried to stop her partner and another officer from excessively beating a mentally challenged 17 year old got her fired for conduct unbecoming an officer and failure to cooperate between agencies.
 
Again, you're worried about your safety when you are armed with a handgun, pepperspray, baton, knife probably have a shotgun in the trunk maybe an "assault rifle". You're coming up from behind someone, with lights flashing and you've run their plate....AND YOU ARE SCARED....give me a break. All because they merged improperly

Over 100 officers were killed in the line of duty last year, many of them while conducting traffic stops. Thousands more assaulted. Believe it or not they were all carrying guns, pepper spray and batons. Many were armed with long guns, tasers and knives and the majority were wearing vests. Nevertheless they still got assaulted, some severely, and some lost their life.

You don't know squat about what you're talking about.
 
Over 100 officers were killed in the line of duty last year, many of them while conducting traffic stops. Thousands more assaulted. Believe it or not they were all carrying guns, pepper spray and batons. Many were armed with long guns, tasers and knives and the majority were wearing vests. Nevertheless they still got assaulted, some severely, and some lost their life.

You don't know squat about what you're talking about.

That's true. Some officers get assaulted in the line of duty by those you'd least suspect.

In fact one 20 year old posed such a threat to the safety and wellbeing of officers with his apparent trash talk in a public avenue, that it became a matter of the most absolute necessity that five officers immediately knock him to the ground and beat him with their batons, punch him, kick him and knee him while he's pinned to the ground and handcuffed. The suspect then continued to present so much threat to the wellbeing of the officers on the scene that it became immediately necessary for backup to be deployed so a K9 unit could bite the suspect's head and neck.

http://www.pakalertpress.com/2013/1...-and-a-dog-brutally-attack-a-20-year-old-kid/

So I guess if offensive language in a public avenue justifies a beat down by six fully armed officers, a pocket knife must warrant at least as much consideration for safety.
 
Hey Charlie, you might want to choose a more reputable source to quote from...pakalertpress is a renound bunk internet newspaper that had it's credentials suspended. Don't believe everything that you read, publishers always have motives and biases, which is why it is important to use common sense or do some background work before buying in to what you read.

When I started my career, I heard it all. "Are you going to savagely beat people in the streets" "What if you get killed" "So you want to get shit ir something?"

The truth is, I have had two people attack my partner with knives, I have been attacked with a screwdriver, and came very close to getting stabbed with an HIV infected needle. I have never seen an officer use unreasonable force, and would report it immediately. I have colleagues that cannot work the streets because of back injury, and yes officers sometimes die. I still leave my family, and go to work.

People hate me for my chisen career. I don't like it, but it is what it is. That's the thing about ignorance...you will never understand it until you live it. Not watch it on cops, not hear testimonials on sketchy internet tabloids, or on "Cops".
 
Over 100 officers were killed in the line of duty last year, many of them while conducting traffic stops. Thousands more assaulted. Believe it or not they were all carrying guns, pepper spray and batons. Many were armed with long guns, tasers and knives and the majority were wearing vests. Nevertheless they still got assaulted, some severely, and some lost their life.

You don't know squat about what you're talking about.

This is true. Gunshots were the cause of death in the majority of cases according to Officer Down, followed by non-duty-related automobile accidents. There were 2 deaths due to edged weapons.

However, of these 35 deceased officers, some additional detail is necessarily:
-2 were accidental
-4 were dogs, not human officers. Not knocking police dogs, but as you might be able to guess, they were not killed during a routine traffic stop.
-The vast majority of these deaths were during confrontations with suspects during calls to scenes, or pre-meditated murders.
-The two edged-weapon deaths were in no way related to traffic stops. One was a DEA agent in Columbia (the country), the other a Corrections Officer who got shanked.

Only 4 officer homicides were during traffic stops, and one was actually assisting a disabled vehicle. In 3 of them the suspect exited the vehicle and opened fire on the still-seated officer, while in the fourth the suspect shot him immediately as he came into view by the window. None had any chance to ask the occupants if they were armed.

What is my point? Yes, officers are completely warranted in being concerned for their well-being despite being well-armed and armored. However, claiming "many" were killed by weapons during routine traffic stops is misleading. And, the necessity and utility of questioning the driver of a car during a routine stop about any weapons of any sort he might have in the vehicle is questionable at best. Especially if the nature of the stop means you have no intention of telling them to get out of the car until after they say "yes." If they have knives and no gun, I should remind you they are seated in a car out of arm's reach. If they're a criminal intending to harm you, they're going to lie about not having a knife. The only person who says "yes" is a truthful, law-abiding person who means you no harm and at worst was simply unaware of the law, if indeed any were broken, or a criminal who's seriously mentally deficient and probably wasn't planning on doing anything violent. The value in respecting the former's privacy and body boundaries far outweighs the very slim chance of catching the latter.

I might see the utility of asking about weapons or knives if you were fully intending to make them get of the car already, or asking if they have any firearms and specify that I mean in the passenger compartment. If it's locked in the trunk why the hell should anyone care? Based on the past cases, if you're talking to the driver, if they wanted to shoot you they would have tried already.
 
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An average of 150 officers are killed in the line of duty every year in the last 10 years. That does not include the number that are assaulted and survive, or are injured and cannot continue working in full capacity.

I don't know what you do for work sir, but I would like to see the number of Best Buy salesmen, or plumbers murdered in the line of duty by comparison...

You've no doubt arrested many people, given all your expertise in the matter...
 
My remarks had very, very specific points and caveats with full acknowledgement of limitations. If you'd actually read it instead of assuming I'm just another wacko libertarian cop-basher (much in the way you assume any weapon carry makes you a violent thug), which I am not, you would not have responded to me that way.
 
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but I would like to see the number of Best Buy salesmen, or plumbers murdered in the line of duty by comparison...

Convenience store clerks have a dangerous job as regards robberies (and getting shot).
Truck drivers and fishermen have more dangerous jobs than police, based on the whole getting dead metric...
There is danger in policing, yes, but don't exaggerate the dangers in comparison to other lines of work.
 
Putting very, very specific caveats to refute a statement is a little ignorant in and of itself, wouldn't you say? Sorry if I sounded mean, but brash comments put very specifically don't exactly honor the people that died serving people such as yourself.

I enjoy arguing the finer points of the law. Many people try and give hazardous advice on these forums to people that don't know the law. If you look at the question the OP posted, I offered an answer and got swarmed by police haters flying the banner of ignorance.

I'm not saying that other people don't have dangerous or important jobs, what I am saying is that many people hate police for the simple fact that they are police. It may be tough for you to understand, because you have never been there. I sincerely hope you never have to put hands on a dangerous and motivated offender. I have been there, I have done it, and I continue to do it.

If you put yourself in our position, you wouldn't be so quick to hate us.
 
If you put yourself in our position, you wouldn't be so quick to hate us.
Perhaps you're being overly sensitive. Just because people may disagree with you doesn't mean they hate cops.

Some people take their Constitutional rights very seriously and don't like it when they believe that a member of law enforcement is violating those rights, that doesn't mean they hate cops.

It is true that there are many people who "hate" cops, some for unjust reasons, but some because they or a loved one has had their rights violated by a member of law enforcement. Personally, I believe that most cops are good people, but unfortunately, not every member of law enforcement is a credit to the uniform.

I think it's unfortunate that you are assuming that everyone who disagrees with you hates you or cops in general. The truth is, if you stop viewing every disagreement as a personal attack against you or cops in general, you might find that many here have great respect for law enforcement personnel.
 
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The simple fact of the matter is that when I go to my mechanic and he tells me my transmission is broken, I don't tell him how to fix it. The same should be true with my job, but it isn't. I can't go for lunch while at work without someone commenting "Hard at work eh? Or the standard "don't you have real badguys to catch?" Unless you have been there, you don't understand.

I don't take things peraonally, I am on days off and have nothing betrer to do than answer questions and add my .02 on a forum. You can make all the comments you want, but don't cheapen my work because you heard of a guy in the news that had a bad run in. I've heard all the same stories, and feel that a very small percentage makes everyone look bad.

The truth is, we are regular people. We don't have super powers, so all I want to do is add a little objectivity to the conversation.
 
Alright let me phrase it more diplomatically as a show of good faith: If I'm stopped for a traffic offense, am completely compliant (stay in my car with hands showing, obey all commands), have no priors by my tag search, and you do not suspect me of any other crime, I would rather not and fail to see the merit of being questioned about if I do or do not have anything in the car. I just like my privacy and to not an assumed as "dirt bag" criminal merely because I drove a few mph faster than the highway engineer felt was prudent. If a cop really thinks I am violent, he should order me out of the car from a distance at gun point.

Now on the flip side, I am no cop hater. I like police officers in general and am usually the one sticking up for them when the newsmedia starts crying foul over this or that incident of "misconduct." My go-to response to news stories has become "Ok, now lets find out all the stuff the news is leaving out and has been carefully cut from this viral video." I've been lied to far too much to take any "police brutality" story at face value. Hell even Rodney King was nowhere near as clear-cut as people painted it. I have a lot of libertarian gun-nut friends that advocate this really obstructionist attitude when dealing with the police (I'm sure you know the type, "I have nothing to say to you. Am I being detained?") and I find it really stupid. Cops are human beings and like any human being you get farther by being nice. Try going into McDonald's and saying "Yeah gimme what of your [expletive] burgers, [ethinic slur]." Free speech? Probably, but I don't imagine you'll get all that great a response.
 
I think it's unfortunate that you are assuming that everyone who disagrees with you hates you or cops in general.

Exactly. A persecution complex is no fun.

When I hear people complain about how stupid and lazy security guards are, I don't automatically assume they think that I'm lazy and stupid...and if they do, who cares? :)
That minimum wage paycheck is all the reward I need. :D (Yep, university continues to pay off...)
 
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OP: Never take legal advice from a LEO. I've been through an OPOTA Peace Officer course. My instructor who was teaching the legal portion of the course didn't even know the law very well and liked to make stuff up as he went along. But he was also one of those guys who became a cop to carry a gun, drive fast and tell others what to do. (his exact words)

In Ohio, laws are vague, and a lot of them rely on intent. Something is only a weapon if you intend to use it as such. All my knives are tools. My small knife is for opening packages, cutting small things. My big knife is for cutting apples, my son's cheeseburger, etc.

As someone else said, you're up to the mercy of lawyers. As scary as that sounds.
 
Scarier is the fact that you're always behind the eight ball, and never more than one bad encounter away from having to shell out ten thousand to one hundred thousand dollars just to prove that you did nothing wrong, going bankrupt in the process and losing everything you've worked so hard for.
 
Scarier is the fact that you're always behind the eight ball, and never more than one bad encounter away from having to shell out ten thousand to one hundred thousand dollars just to prove that you did nothing wrong, going bankrupt in the process and losing everything you've worked so hard for.

Unfortunately you are correct Charlie K.

There are thousands upon thousands of federal, state, and local laws in Ohio that it is virtually impossible to go to work or the grocery store without breaking some code.

Buckeye State knife laws are amongst the worst for subjects, while amongst the best for the System bureaucracy.

System officials (police, prosecutors et al) can charge and prosecute you almost at will if they so choose. Our only defense is lots of legal fees.
 
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