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Great Deals you have found lately.... i.e. too cheap to pass up new knives
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Deals where I felt it was so cheap, I had to take a chance were a $24 Boker slimline trapper with stag handles and a 440C blade. Also a Spyderco UKPK for $43. I feel like the UKPK was the better buy as a slipjoint, but the Boker is nice, just not my style (in actual style or in use).
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I agree with you. It's freaking tedious.
But it's only because some person wants to show us their clones and counterfeits every week. I'd love to ignore it but there are not a lot of moral/ethical lines to be drawn in this hobby. There's basically a place for every kind of knife enthusiasm on this forum with two exceptions: scammers and cloners. Scammers get called out in GBU. There's no dumping ground for the cloners. Honestly, I hate derailing these GKD threads but what's the alternative? Acceptance?
Not trying to hijack the thread, but this conversation does keep coming up, and usually it is one side of the argument who are the most emotional and vocal. I am absolutely NOT saying their position is wrong. I actually side with them. They have excellent points with the law being on their side as well in many cases. I think one of the problems is a lack of understanding regarding the terms counterfeit and clone. To be clear, a couple of definitions:
Counterfeit = A manufacturer making a duplicate of another manufacturer's product. ie: "Slimbag Knives" is making knives identical to "CRK Sibenza's", and selling them as real CRK Sibenzas. This is fraud, generally illegal everywhere, (criminal) although the rate of enforcement is far lower in some countries than it should be. Some countries refuse to enforce it at all. And these days with prices being what they are, counterfeit knives are everywhere. On a similar vein, I remember hearing the stat that in the sports memorabilia world, at one point, 90% of the stuff out there was fake. The knife world isn't that bad, at least not yet to my knowledge. But we are not unique.
Clones = One manufacturer making a knife similar or even exactly like another manufacturer, but selling it under their own name, not the original manufacturer's name. This becomes a very shaky grey area. For one thing, the manufacturer is not doing anything criminal. Are they stealing product designs, and market share from the original. Yes. But they are not doing anything criminal. At least in the USA. The original manufacturer can go after the copier, but in civil court, not criminal court. At the very least it is a far bigger headache, and also a lot more expensive for the original makers. Police and the FBI are not going to arrest some manufacturer copying your design.
The issue of clones is where most of the arguments seem to stem from. Some take the side of copying anyone else's design is wrong. I get that and I generally agree with it. However, it becomes difficult to reconcile being against clones when so much copying is done and at this point generally accepted in the knife world.
For instance, how many manufacturers make a "Peanut", "Trapper", "Stockman", "Kwaiken", "Karambit", or a "Barlow"? The name and design are virtually identical for multiple manufacturers. How many manufacturers are selling a "Bob Loveless" anything. One could conceivably add Liner Lock, Frame Lock, Back Lock, Rear Lock, to things that should not be copied, but you get into the issue of patents, expired patents, non-patented designs vs. trademarks. The design might be able to be copied at this point, but calling it a frame lock or a liner lock may not be. I confess I do not know that answer for sure with regards to anyone having trademarked those terms.
The other issue you run into is "Design". You can patent a design in some ways, but not in others. Say you come up with an entirely new way of locking a folding knife. You can patent that mechanical design, and own the exclusive rights to that design for X amount of years. If anyone copies or steals your design, you can go after them in civil court. Not criminal court.
HOWEVER, if you think you are patenting the way your knife looks, you are going to be out of luck. You cannot patent certain things. You cannot patent Shapes, Colors, or Sounds. Which means if your new design generates huge sales, others are going to copy it and there is little you can do about it other then bluff them into stopping, and only if you can actually find the people doing the copying. And for the more astute of you who are saying hey, what about songs, that is sound. Correct. But that is protected by copyright, not by patent. What about a "Drop point" design, again, not patentable, but probably could have been protected as a trademark by the original designer who almost certainly didn't.
The knife world is not alone in this. It happens in nearly all industries. It used to be if you wanted a big 4 wheeled drive, you bought a Suburban, or a Bronco. They got popular, and now you have Expeditions, Landcruisers, Escalades, Sequoia, Armada, Yukon, Range Rover..... You make a product that sells, you are going to get copied. That is a fact of life if you are in business. Are others stealing sales away from you? Absolutely. Is it right? No. Are you Pissed? Probably. Are you sorry you came up with a product that is a hot seller causing others to copy you? Definitely not. You are making money and you hope it goes on as long as it can.
So I guess the summation is if you want to be hard nosed against clones and counterfeits, you need to take a stand against any maker of a "Trapper" or a "Barlow" as well as the "makers" who only copy others designs and couldn't come up with an original idea if it was stapled to their hands.
Likewise, the supporters of clones and counterfeit knifes, you are definitely depriving the original designers out of monies due them. On one hand, if you go and "get a killer deal on a brand new CRK Sibenza" you not only deprived CRK out of a sale, but you should be pissed because you got defrauded. You did not get a new Sibenza, you got a fake. And if you turn around and sell it to someone else, you are now defrauding and cheating them and are no better than the slim ball who made the copy in the first place.
Class dismissed. lol
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Not trying to hijack the thread,
SNIP of the usual long winded, sanctimonious, self righteous, preaching of obvious facts that spew forth every time this subject comes up. You know... like once every 7-10 days...
Class dismissed. lol
Really? You didn't want to hijack the thread that had miraculously found its way back on track so you write a nearly 1000 word treatise on the subject at hand as you know it? Even after the offender bailed out many posts back? Who are you educating? We don't need the Google-fied version of the law by a self appointed expert in the legal aspects of knife making - there are many, many, many, many versions of your self important dissertation here on BF that are frequently posted and well debated.
After all that, pleased with yourself, you step down from your imaginary pulpit in front of "the class", and amused, you LOL yourself at the clever irony? A little disingenuous, don't you think? Sigh...
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Here's a great deal:
Tangram (Kizer) Sante Fe. Got this for $25. Imported from China, good materials, good workmanship, original design!
Have you had a chance to put that knife through its paces? Looks to me like it would be a great slicer/work knife. The blade shape alone makes that knife look pretty interesting. I always wonder about the steels, though.
Robert
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Really? You didn't want to hijack the thread that had miraculously found its way back on track so you write a nearly 1000 word treatise on the subject at hand as you know it? Even after the offender bailed out many posts back? Who are you educating? We don't need the Google-fied version of the law by a self appointed expert in the legal aspects of knife making - there are many, many, many, many versions of your self important dissertation here on BF that are frequently posted and well debated.
After all that, pleased with yourself, you step down from your imaginary pulpit in front of "the class", and amused, you LOL yourself at the clever irony? A little disingenuous, don't you think? Sigh...
From hackenslash:
Here's a great deal:
Tangram (Kizer) Sante Fe. Got this for $25. Imported from China, good materials, good workmanship, original design!
Have you had a chance to put that knife through its paces? Looks to me like it would be a great slicer/work knife. The blade shape alone makes that knife look pretty interesting. I always wonder about the steels, though.
Robert
Seeing as you have completely missed the point, do you at least feel better now that you decided to unload on me? Hope so.
As far as the barbs you wanted to throw; None of my information was Googled. I happen to have some knowledge on the subject on both personal and professional levels. For the last 12 years, I've worked at one of the top 15 lawschools in the country. I hold 20 copyrights, & trademarks so I am certainly more aware of intellectual property than many. I also do not pretend to call myself an expert in IP law by any means.
As for the point you missed, it is simply that there is no simple across the board answer with regards to "clones". Your rush to paint me in such an unflattering light is the same rush many here do to those who, either by ignorance, innocence, or ambivalence have purchased a clone or worse, a counterfeit. I do not condone it, but I also try not to judge it, if only for the simple fact that there are tons of "clones" out there that are strangely viewed as acceptable. The point I was trying to make was to see the double standards being displayed. While I have been on BF, I have yet to see anyone bring up that issue or viewpoint of the double standard. Not saying no one has done it, just saying I had not seen it brought up. So I did, and in doing so I hoped to get some to lighten up a bit. Cut people some slack. It isn't a black and white issue with clones. Counterfeits, definitely black and white. Clones no.
As to my closing of my previous post, it was in reference to my name, "Dan of Bazz Clazz". Bazz clazz being a company, a trademark, and a business of mine, now no longer in operation. A business that at one time raised me to being one of the leading educators of freshwater bass fishing on the west coast. While I can see how you may have interpreted it as something completely different, it was intended as a playful reference to the name as well as a tongue & cheek jab at myself for the length the post had gotten to. Not at all what I intended to do, but to steal from the great Mark Twain, ..."I didn't have time to make it shorter".
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I ordered one Thursday and it came in Saturday. I looked it over and thought "Aw crap". I ordered a second one for my son and it came in today. They were pricier - I gave $27. each.
Very smooth action, quite nicely made. Amazon (not the seller, just the shipper) tracking even had a picture of the envelope on my porch, propped up against the door. When did they start that?
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If I understand the rules correctly, you can say what you paid for a knife and the type of knife, but you cannot mention the location or company unless they are a forum supporter. If someone is interested where you got it, can you just send them a private message if they are able to do that here?
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Spartan Blades Pallas! I bought bnib for $150!! The blade centering was off. Called SB and spoke to Curtis, one of the owners, and designer of the Pallas. The man was awesome. The customer service blew me away! How often do you call a company and the owner answers the phone? Spoke to him about my new found love for his company and how impressed I am with the knife overall. The usual crew was out doing work for charity. Incredible knife from an incredible company.I will purchase many more Spartan Blades to come.
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Couldn't pass on these! Camillus Carnivore X for $9, a Marbles Scout 18" machete for $13, and a Morakniv Basic 511 for $9.
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Kizer ursa minor and an opinel no 8 for $100! brand new
Picked up these two turds on clearance at [a big box store]. One was $5, the other $7. They suck and I hate them. Should have left them but for $12 for two made in the USA knives, I couldn't. Threw them up on the local Letgo.
Also recently got a brand spanking new Leatherman Wave for $20. That was the better two of the deals here.
Also recently got a brand spanking new Leatherman Wave for $20. That was the better two of the deals here.
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I usually keep nearly 100 items in my Save For Later part of my cart. Some of the items I’m only mildly interested in.
A couple of weeks ago, the Mora Robust was dropping in price from about $15. It would drop some fractions of a dollar every few hours. After a few days, it hit $10.23. It’s just a $5 difference, but felt like a lot in percentage. So I bought it. Because I’m practically losing money by not buying it!
I don’t have any need for it. I held it for a minute or two and then just drew it in the drawer.
A couple of weeks ago, the Mora Robust was dropping in price from about $15. It would drop some fractions of a dollar every few hours. After a few days, it hit $10.23. It’s just a $5 difference, but felt like a lot in percentage. So I bought it. Because I’m practically losing money by not buying it!
I don’t have any need for it. I held it for a minute or two and then just drew it in the drawer.
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It was $5 on woot like a month ago! Super deal! Should have bought more than one
No! Thats the point! I didn’t need the first one to begin with. Then again... $5 is cheaper/easier than sharpening.