Gso-4.7

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The amount of butthurt around here lately is pathetic.
Before anyone decides to comment on this post, understand that I don't care if I hurt your feelings.
We're all adults here. We should all act like it.
Thumping your chest and acting like hormonal, testosterone driven teenagers is just sad.
 
Place is getting a bit too toxic for my taste. Glad that Memorial weekend is upon us. Be safe and have a great one, everyone :thumbup:
 
Tinbanger said:
LOOK A 4.7 ON THE 4.7 THREAD!

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What a fantastically designed knife. As a huge fan of well-designed and executed anything, I can't imagine it can be much improved upon but I'll probably be proven wrong. Evidence the advances over the past months- better heat treat, finish, handle scales.

To everyone waiting for this model or any other S!K device, I can say this: all the hand wringing and contemplating of the company and its policies aside, you will love your knife when you get it.
 
As my mom once told me "Patience is a virtue" you either have or you don't if you don't put your money toward another company! I currently am waiting on a 4.7 it will be my second S!K. My 1st being a second hand necker 2.0! I am being patient cause of all the great and glowing words about Guy and his quality so I wait patiently!!!! Thanks Tinbanger for the knife porn it helps!!!!!!
 
Wow so much QQ.

12-14 months is not that long of a wait. Go try a custom maker. Even CRK is 12+ months for a Damascus order.

I've been trying to get on the Scott Cook list since 2013, and I can't even get on the list. The list is several years long. YEARS.

People who are so super upset over this delay:

If having $200-$300 tied up for 1-2 years is driving you insane, go buy another knife to entertain yourself with. If you can't afford another one, knives in high demand are not for you.

I will tell everyone the truth of this matter.



Guy screwed up. Yup that's right he did. He priced his knives too low.

Yup I said it. He should add $100 to each knife immediately. Get rid of most of the " GIMME MY INSTANT GRATIFICATION OR I WILL TAKE MY BALL AND GO HOME AFTER I QQ" crowd who failed the marshmallow test right away.

Most people who will pay $300-$500 for a knife have learned about delayed gratification. That's why they have $300 to spend on a knife.

This thread is full of embarrassing posts.

And before anyone says I don't have any skin in the game, I think I have 6 knives from Survive! on pre-order, but I am not sure. I would have to go check. I don't know how many exactly.
 
emechtech said:
Are you sure about this? I'm beginning to have my doubts... Here's an example.

I'd certainly never buy a knife if I knew it had mis-matched bevels. AND I have FOUR GSOs on order... and I've sold a few.
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That is an old knife. It was probably put out during the time Guy had staff heavily involved with putting out knives and doing the quality control. It's part of the reason there are no staff making knives and doing quality control there now.
 
Well that's certainly good to hear, because I'm definitely invested at this point. But over two years? I hope the zombies don't take over by then :D I can't stress how excited I am for the GSO 12!
 
Starting 11-6-15

SURVIVE! Ellie said:
If there is a dedicated GSO-4.7 page I am not seeing it. Where am I supposed to give you exciting updates about it?! UPS stopped in with a nice little package today... one step closer!

https://instagram.com/p/9w0GSapbmH/?taken-by=surviveknives
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12-2-15

SURVIVE! Ellie said:
We should start seeing handles and sheaths for these soon. The plan is to get out as many preordered GSO-4.7s as possible before Christmas. Regular ordering probably won't open up until Jan.
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12-18-15

SURVIVE! Ellie said:
With the tester knives it doesn't feel like work because we are so excited to see what people think of them. They have already been coated by a local company and Guy is planning to just sharpen them while working on the GSO-4.7 preorders. We are hoping to have some feedback by the time GSO-4.7 presale orders have finished shipping.

Don't worry, we are planning to have a Christmas. Just not a weekend before Christmas. :D
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1-12-16

SURVIVE! Ellie said:
Just starting to see handles for these!
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3-1-16

SURVIVE! Ellie said:
They have been shipping out... in low numbers. Every so often Guy slips a GSO-4.7 into the line when he is getting tired of doing the same thing over and over. Once he gets back and the last of those 3V GSO-5.1s gets out there should be some larger numbers of GSO-4.7s shipping out.
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4-8-16

SURVIVE! Ellie said:
The GSO-5.1 preorders were taking up a good bit of Guy's time, adding to the delivery time on the GSO-4.7s. He has been throwing a few in with the GSO-5.1s, but there have not been many to go out yet.
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4-29-16

SURVIVE! Ellie said:
It did say April. I changed it because I knew we weren't going to be able to have every single order out in April. The Production Schedule is there so people know where we are at, at that time. We always said there was no guaranteed delivery date for preordered knives, that never changed. We will have them out as quickly as we possibly can.

I just want to assure everyone that this is not fun and games for us. We aren't letting the knives sit on a shelf just to see how angry people will get. I would love to be able to snap my fingers and have these in everyone's hands. Surprisingly enough, we really want you to have the knives you ordered. But we cannot lower our standards just to get them out the door faster. Most people would be so angry if they were expecting a GSO and received a knife that needed sharpened right away or had a light spot in the finish or some other problem.
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4-29-16

SURVIVE! Ellie said:
I was wondering who was going to catch that. Those aren't leaving the shop. The new stuff is too nice. The old spec knives are in the past, we only go forward.



I understand the frustration with seeing a date up there. Like I said before, we won't make everyone happy. When we send out a monthly update newsletter I always get a couple replies angry because the information is "vague and meaningless". I will make some updates to the wording on the Production Schedule. I have a few ideas, it is just a matter of tact.


A few other things I wanted to point out since it seems like things have settled down now:



If the edge is ever messed up for any reason the blade is scrap. Guy is very particular about the edges so even the Factory 2nds will have a good straight edge on them.



This is just not true. We didn't NEED the SURVIVE! Starter to still be in business, we would still be just fine. The Starter campaign did two things: 1) It guaranteed a consistent finish by allowing us to get the equipment in house. 2) It allowed us to greatly increase our production numbers, on both a per run level and overall level. Even with those benefits, we did not come up with the Starter campaign for those reasons. In fact, I told Guy no when he first pitched it to me. The SURVIVE! Starter happened because people were overwhelmingly upset that they couldn't place an order. Customers wanted to get an order in, so we let them.

Circle around back to my post a while back about the Monday orders, no matter what we do people are angry for some reason or another.
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4-29-16

SURVIVE! said:
With the very last of the GSO-5.1s now either shipped or sitting in a box awaiting shipment, I'm working on the GSO-4.7s with almost 100% of my focus. They are being finished and put in the mail as fast as we can. I'm not really inclined to say what percentage of the orders have shipped, as it doesn't really matter. If anything the question seems a bit loaded. Whether I say 25%, 50%, or 90%, your knife isn't going to arrive any sooner or later than it was going to anyway. I'm not holding out or purposely delaying anything but I also won't rush either.

The quality of each and every thing that leaves our shop is my primary concern and I refuse to sacrifice that for anyone or anything, for any reason. Almost always, that means the way I do things is slower, harder and more tedious. Every improvement I conceive and implement seems to be more involved, which as a consequence usually means it is something else that I feel the need to do personally. It is the only way I can ensure it is being done properly. I'm not too proud to admit that I'm a perfectionist and a bit of a control freak if I don't believe something is being done correctly. (A quick glimpse into the future, our standard is about to get even more crazy) I know that the wait can be hard, especially these days, in a world where the pace is always more and faster. I should have had the good sense to start my business in the 1800's. I believe things were probably more my pace back then. I'll just close this out by saying if you have an order I can absolutely promise that it will ship as soon as I have it completed.

-Guy
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4-29-16

SURVIVE! said:
Firstly let me say that none of us are trying to fool you or jerk you around. If you've felt that way at all, then please accept my humblest apology. Secondly, you're right, those dates were obviously overly optimistic, best case scenario guesses. That is squarely my fault. A lot of these first new production models needed a lot of very time consuming hand work, something I hadn't anticipated. Setting up and getting the first runs of sheaths for each model so far also took a bit longer than I anticipated. I'm still learning to balance my ambitions and wanting to make people happy against what I can physically accomplish in a day. Ellie and I have talked about it at length and from here on out we won't list any type of estimates or rough guesses on production.
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5-23-16

SURVIVE! Ellie said:
There has been a gap in shipments going out. The past couple of weeks Guy has been placing most of his focus on finishing. That way it is done and he doesn't have to keep going back and forth between sharpening and finishing so often. He also had to reset one of the machines for doing ferro notches. He is back to sharpening today, so you should be seeing some shipping notices this week.
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I seem to have touched a nerve with some of you, that wasn't my intent. I was sharing information I'd come across in another thread and I relayed some of my own frustration. I've started to respond to some of your comments several times but each time the post ends up being harsher than intended so I don't post it.

The above posts are what have led to my frustration. ”Lets hype the 4.7" followed by, "Let's get defensive when people are disappointed".
 
ElConquistador said:
I seem to have touched a nerve with some of you, that wasn't my intent. I was sharing information I'd come across in another thread and I relayed some of my own frustration. I've started to respond to some of your comments several times but each time the post ends up being harsher than intended so I don't post it.

The above posts are what have led to my frustration. ”Lets hype the 4.7" followed by, "Let's get defensive when people are disappointed".
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Holy balls! It would have taken me an entire weekend to find and compile all those quotes. This really sums up how things rarely go according to best case scenario when a complicated production process is involved.

I think the problem with your first post was categorizing funeral attendance and caring for a relative as excuses. We're spoiled rotten with their openness and transparency and Ellie often fills us in with what's going on with them whether it is shop related or not.

I do hope that if they're taking next month off that they don't half ass their vacation. We know they deserve it so if they're going to take time off I hope they really take time off.

I am butt hurt. I'm trying to be better.....
 
Frustrations can be understood,I think most of us here can attest to feeling that way here and there. I placed my order in April in hopes of seeing them within a year to a year and a half. My order will be long after the 4.7's come about. I'm OK with that. I'm not saying waiting a year or two for a knife is not disappointing. I just think complaining won't fix the fact three people are trying to produce a series of blades that in the end will very high quality for a steal of a deal.

My suggestion, wait it out. If that sounds like it sucks then ask for a return on your money. And when everyone is enjoying there new blades you can enjoy looking through the secondary market for someone not over priced. That is if you still want it after such an excruciating wait. Just remember, there is thousands of blades before and after yours.
 
emechtech said:
Are you sure about this? I'm beginning to have my doubts... Here's an example.

I'd certainly never buy a knife if I knew it had mis-matched bevels. AND I have FOUR GSOs on order... and I've sold a few.

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I have 10 or 12 Busse knives and they cost between $450 and $800 each. Several have handle issues, like not lining up properly (one of which I had to file down so it would stop biting into my palm), poorly sharpened tips - like not sharp, and other small issues. Not to mention the fact that none of them cut or slice very well. It happens with semi-mass/semi-custom produced knives. FYI Guy hand sharpens every knife so a miss matched bevel can happen and be fixed.

S!Ks are by no means pretty knives like Fiddlebacks so FOR ME, I don't really give a $41t if they aren't perfect especially for the price point and what they are capable of. I would be concerned with a $450/$500+ knife. But I will tell you if you don't think your S!K is perfect call Survive! and they will fix it. For the record I have over 20 S!Ks and non of them have an issue. AND like JF I have about 5 or 6 on order.

 
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I seem to have touched a nerve with some of you, that wasn't my intent. I was sharing information I'd come across in another thread and I relayed some of my own frustration. I've started to respond to some of your comments several times but each time the post ends up being harsher than intended so I don't post it.

The above posts are what have led to my frustration. ”Lets hype the 4.7" followed by, "Let's get defensive when people are disappointed".
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Nope, no nerve touched here. You see things the same way I do also.
 
OBX351 said:
I have 10 or 12 Busse knives and they cost between $450 and $800 each. Several have handle issues, like not lining up properly (one of which I had to file down so it would stop biting into my palm), poorly sharpened tips - like not sharp, and other small issues. Not to mention the fact that none of them cut or slice very well. It happens with semi-mass/semi-custom produced knives. FYI Guy hand sharpens every knife so a miss matched bevel can happen and be fixed.

S!Ks are by no means pretty knives like Fiddlebacks so FOR ME, I don't really give a $41t if they aren't perfect especially for the price point and what they are capable of. I would be concerned with a $450/$500+ knife. But I will tell you if you don't think your S!K is perfect call Survive! and they will fix it. For the record I have over 20 S!Ks and non of them have an issue.

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You S! Hoarder!!
 
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