Guardians of The Lambsfoot!

I'm just going to post this for the fourth time:

"I have seen it written as 'Lambsfoot', 'Lambfoot', 'Lambs foot', and 'Lamb Foot', but only ever heard it pronounced 'Lambsfoot'.

I've known many Sheffield cutlers, some of whom were trained by cutlers who would themselves have learned their craft in the late 19th century. I don't know if any of those 19th century cutlers ever called the pattern anything else, but none of the men they trained did, they ALL called it a Lambsfoot. It's the only term I've ever HEARD used for the pattern. I try to name patterns correctly, not least so new members here are not misinformed, but there are only so many times I can repeat the same thing. It's 9.30pm here, and I've spent almost all of the day going over ground, which a visit to the thread index could have easily resolved.

I wonder if this is something like the way the word almond is spoken around here. Almonds are a multibillion dollar business in this valley (55% of the world's total is grown here). Most people pronounce it with the L. But the old time farmers drop the L and pronounce it "amond", with the a sounding like the a in the word at. We all know that the word is spelled with an L, but the old time farmers drop it when they talk. It even led to a joke based on how the almonds are harvested - the harvesting machines have arms that grip the trunk and shake the tree, making the nuts fall off. The joke goes like this: Why are almonds pronounced amond? Because they shake the "L" out of them.

Perhaps the old time Sheffield cutlers say lambsfoot, regardless of whether there is an S or not.
 
Ohhh, Mate, now you're talkin' :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: 👌 Any savory with ginger in it. :p:p
And it's good for ya!😁
Nice one mate.:thumbsup:
Thanks, Leon!
It is a really cold winters day, need something to keep the core temp up, had a casserole cooking on low heat all day, the wafting smell is getting the stomach juices going. :) Going to be an enjoyable meal with some fresh crusty bread.:p.

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Mmm, looks good! Comfort food!
Now you're talking ;) :thumbsup:

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Them some good dunkers, Jack! I think your Lambsfoot is eyeing them!😎👍
Great shot my friend, that patina is unique :cool: :thumbsup:
Thank you Jack!
Have a good one, whatever you're doing Guardians :thumbsup:

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Hope you had a good day! Your HHB looks ready for action with a fleet of minions behind him!😉👍
I had a spicy Jamaica Patty for lunch, and I've just had some pasta, and opened a bottle of red wine :) Think I'm going to watch a movie this evening :thumbsup:

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Sounds interesting...never had it.

For Stag Saturday...
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I've posted this in other areas today but it is what I'm carrying today and deserves a picture of it in this Guardians thread. It's a "Lil-un" covered with Pere David stag. It's the runt of my flock but always manages to make it's way to the top for posting sometimes. Today's the day.

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My flock. They like to pick on the Pere David "Lil-un" but the "Runt" beats them back every time.

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Nice flock Ed :thumbsup:
I am not to be considered an Expert about the subject , so I will refer back to my old Taylors Eye Witness LAMBFOOT and see what they stamped on their Lambfoot Blades .

Another Eye Witness


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When I commissioned the 2018 Guardians Lambsfoot SFO, the 'REAL LAMB FOOT' etch (the most common of the Lambsfoot blade etches) had recently slipped out of use in Sheffield, partly from a lack of demand, partly for technical reasons, and perhaps because a few folks find it confusing. I could have had anything etched onto those blades, but regarded the etch I chose as the most authentic. Despite the wording of the etch, neither I, nor the cutler who etched the blades thought that the pattern was called a 'Lamb Foot', we knew that it was called a Lambsfoot, as did the cutler who made the knife, and his workmates beside him. As Peregrin Peregrin noted earlier, many names are sometimes ascribed to blades/knives, and they are also sometimes described incorrectly. We have seen examples in this thread of Wharncliffe and Sheepsfoot blades, which have the 'Real Lamb Foot' etch (or variations thereof). Sheepsfoot knives are sometimes called Sheepfoot or Sheep Foot knives, and that has also been stamped on blades. Yet, we say Sheepsfoot, just as we say Lambsfoot. When looking at any subject, I try to do as much research as possible, and take information from as many informed sources as possible. The vocabulary of Sheffield cutlers in relation to a knife they (and for the most part they alone) manufacture, cannot easily be dismissed. Lambsfoot is the name they give to this knife, and that was accepted for the first 2500 pages of this thread, so why it is in question now, I'm not sure. But folks can call their own knives what they want :thumbsup:

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Sun is going down, cooling off another warm but comfortable day here in PNW. Have a wonderful evening all!


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Glad the heat is not too oppressive there Ken :) Nice shot :thumbsup:
I wonder if this is something like the way the word almond is spoken around here. Almonds are a multibillion dollar business in this valley (55% of the world's total is grown here). Most people pronounce it with the L. But the old time farmers drop the L and pronounce it "amond", with the a sounding like the a in the word at. We all know that the word is spelled with an L, but the old time farmers drop it when they talk. It even led to a joke based on how the almonds are harvested - the harvesting machines have arms that grip the trunk and shake the tree, making the nuts fall off. The joke goes like this: Why are almonds pronounced amond? Because they shake the "L" out of them.

Perhaps the old time Sheffield cutlers say lambsfoot, regardless of whether there is an S or not.
That's very interesting about the almonds, and a funny story :) Here, we still pronounce it with a silent 'L'. English is full of these kind of anomalies, which Noah Webster tried to iron out, and which led to the whole tomato-tomato thing :D For example, we pronounce 'buoy' as 'boy', and 'Edinburgh' as 'Edin'boro'. I'm not sure what Webster would have thought about the Lambsfoot knife, but they weren't around then ;) Nor, were they around, in the USA, for the most part, until very recently :thumbsup:
Them some good dunkers, Jack! I think your Lambsfoot is eyeing them!😎👍

Thank you Jack!
LOL! Yeah, the best dunkers I think mate :D :thumbsup:
Hope you had a good day! Your HHB looks ready for action with a fleet of minions behind him!😉👍

Sounds interesting...never had it.

For Stag Saturday...
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Thanks Dennis :D It's a bit like a flat Cornish Pasty, with added ginger and other spices. Sizeable Afro-Caribbean population (mainly Saint Kitts) in my area, so they're quite common :) I've been enjoying the photos of your Hartshead Barlow :thumbsup:
And tasted even better. Have some left in the ice-box, will be even better re-heated in a couple of days. You have a good Independence Day my friend. 🤝
Enjoy it Leon :) :thumbsup:

Good morning Guardians, and Happy Independence Day to all our US members :) Sheffield people were very supportive of US independence, and it was common to cheer for 'Good Tom Paine', though the support led to the crushing of local newspapers, the imprisonment of pioneering journalists, and cavalry riding into crowds of people hacking with sabres. Joseph Mather was a Sheffield file-hewer, and the cutler's favourite poet. For the 4th of July, here's a link to his song, which was sung to the tune of the British National Anthem, God Save Great Thomas Paine :thumbsup:

I hope everyone is having a great weekend :) :thumbsup:

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I'm not sure which US dealer tried selling this Lambsfoot-bladed Sheldon Knife as a Kentucky Whittler, but you've got to admire their cheek! :D Maybe they could get away with it when hardly anyone knew what a Lambsfoot blade was :rolleyes: I very much doubt that steel is any type of 440 :D :thumbsup:

Edit - Please see THIS post by H herder (below)! :eek: :D :thumbsup:

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They built a highway on the west side of Austin, along the old Missouri-Pacific Railroad line. Just like the railroad, everyone calls it MoPac. Everyone. It wasn't until I'd given some visiting cousins directions to my place, and they called me from the side of the road to ask, "You said to go south on MoPac, and we can't find it. Is it east or west of Loop 1?" I realized that while I had never heard anyone call the road anything but MoPac, the official Texas Department of Transportation signs call it Loop 1. (it's marked with a "1" and the words "MoPac Expressway" on maps) To this day, if a local TV news anchor or reporter talks about traffic on Loop 1, you know they are recent transplants and soon learn what the highway is called.

One can argue all day about nomenclature, but I'd rather tell a long winded story about road designations while carrying a Lambsfoot knife.
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They built a highway on the west side of Austin, along the old Missouri-Pacific Railroad line. Just like the railroad, everyone calls it MoPac. Everyone. It wasn't until I'd given some visiting cousins directions to my place, and they called me from the side of the road to ask, "You said to go south on MoPac, and we can't find it. Is it east or west of Loop 1?" I realized that while I had never heard anyone call the road anything but MoPac, the official Texas Department of Transportation signs call it Loop 1. (it's marked with a "1" and the words "MoPac Expressway" on maps) To this day, if a local TV news anchor or reporter talks about traffic on Loop 1, you know they are recent transplants and soon learn what the highway is called.

One can argue all day about nomenclature, but I'd rather tell a long winded story about road designations while carrying a Lambsfoot knife.
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Cool story Rachel, and a great photo :) There's a large open area of grassland in inner-city Sheffield. Originally, a third of it were the gardens of a grand old house, which was a ruin by the turn of the 20th century. In the Depression era, part of it was levelled out, and covered in cinders, to make a football pitch. My grandfather told me that, in the 20's, on a Sunday afternoon, there'd sometimes be hundreds of people watching local amateur teams play here. During WW2, the houses on the other two-thirds were heavily bombed, and then demolished, with the land eventually being levelled and grassed-over to provide recreational space for the newly-built tower-blocks nearby. I don't know if the area ever had an official name, but the locals began to refer to it as the Ponderosa, and now it's called that officially. I think folks in most places give nicknames to buildings, roads, and features. Often, as with MoPac, it's a bit of a code ;) In Sheffield there are, and have been, features and building called 'The Egg-Box', 'The Hole-in-the-Road', 'The Wedding Cake', 'The Cheese-Grater', and many more. In Leeds, there's 'The Dalek', in Liverpool, 'Paddy's Wigwam'. In West Yorkshire, there's a village called Slaithwaite, but the locals all call it 'Sla'wit'. Makes it kind of hard for 'outsiders' to find ;) :D :thumbsup:

Hope everyone is enjoying their Sunday :thumbsup:

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Y'all know that here in the deep South, slang and mispronunciation are quite common
For over 40yrs, my grandmother sold furniture at the largest local department store
When asked, she would say she worked in the "fur-nuh-ture" department or sold "fur-nuh-ture"
We knew she was pronouncing it incorrectly but certainly couldn't fault her for where and when she grew up. Bless her heart
We choose to pronounce it as Webster intended, tried to correct her speech but she was unable to say it any other way
... and she was dang good at selling "fur-nuh-ture" too. Not only did she sell it, she was the buyer for the department store
When writing, she did however, spell it correctly.

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I'm not sure which US dealer tried selling this Lambsfoot-bladed Sheldon Knife as a Kentucky Whittler, but you've got to admire their cheek! :D Maybe they could get away with it when hardly anyone knew what a Lambsfoot blade was :rolleyes: I very much doubt that steel is any type of 440 :D :thumbsup:

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Jack, that ad I sent you is a bit misleading in that the caption for that knife and the one to the right of it are shown in this more complete ad below.
Even in that description though which they are called "Flip Knives", they got it wrong in calling that model "Sheepsfoot" instead of a "Lambsfoot". :)

And thanks for posting that picture of Ted and Stan together a few pages back. Of all the great historical Sheffield pictures you have posted, I think that is my favorite.

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You have a good Independence Day my friend. 🤝
Thanks, Leon!🙂👍
I've been enjoying the photos of your Hartshead Barlow :thumbsup:
Thank you, Jack! I hope to keep the momentum going!😎👍

Hope everyone is enjoying their Sunday :thumbsup:

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You as well, Jack! Your WCLF looks great!! 😎👌
Nicely done, José!👍
My lambsfoot knife since last Monday has been LamBarJack, my rosewood Hartshead Barlow. Since food is an important recurring secondary topic in this thread, I'll post some photos of my rosewood HHB with food. ;)😁
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Your HHB looks quite well taken care of, Gary!
Question...
If Mares eat cloves,
And Does eat cloves,
Do Little Lambs eat Scones?? 😀👍
One of my favorite pastries!

A retro look...
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Just want to wish all American members a good and safe Independence Day, what ever you are doing or have done for the day hope you are all having a good time. :thumbsup: 🤝
This one seemed to have been dropped from my muti-quote, but thanks again, Leon!🙂👍
 
Today is American Independence Day but instead of enjoying the fireworks, I usually spend the time cursing at my neighbors as I try and console my hounds.

Here is Sawyer - he’s our old man and you might be able to tell how anxious he is. He won’t leave my side and would be in my lap if I let him.

To remain on topic, you might spy a Hartshead there in the background.

I hope you all are keeping well.


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