Guardians of The Lambsfoot!

[Hoffmajo89]

You could contact GEC and get the proper cap. I'm missing the button for mine , I don't know if you can get replacement buttons though.

You can, it’s less than a dollar but the shipping is about six bucks so it makes sense to get several when you do an order. I ordered about 4-5 when I had one I was missing.

 

[echoscout]

Beautiful Saynor David! I love that wood.

Thanks Dwight!

Sweet Saynor !

Thanks Steve!

 

[GusSharp68]

You could contact GEC and get the proper cap. I'm missing the button for mine , I don't know if you can get replacement buttons though.

I kind of feel like there must be a story behind this like maybe they were going to call it antique autumn but there was an argument and some rogue employee did it anyway and... ok well probably not haha.

 

[GusSharp68]

You can, it’s less than a dollar but the shipping is about six bucks so it makes sense to get several when you do an order. I ordered about 4-5 when I had one I was missing.

if only it worked the other way, like i have a button but not the knife, send me a new knife

 

[cudgee]

I always enjoy the classic look of wood

I'll second that motion.

 

[ProbablyAWizard]

Hey everyone, forgive me if this isn't the right place. A few weeks ago I got this very beat up knife from a thrift store for $10. I posted a couple pictures and you all identified it as a 1926 Schrade pretty much immediately, which most likely didn't begin life as a lambsfoot. The pictures don't really show it but originally the pivot was so bent that the tang wasn't touching the backspring in places, so it was unusably loose. I decided to go ahead and take it apart and do my best to restore it, and this is the result! It's pretty scuffed but the walk and talk is nice now, and all the rust is cleaned off and its been oiled so at least it isn't falling apart anymore. It was a fun project! I highly recommend trying a restoration project if you find any old junkers with solid bones.

 

[btb01]

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Your Rosewood HHB has a lovely backside, Dwight! I should take a pile-side pic of mine sometime, it has a knot/void in the wood that gives it some nice character.

Going back in time, cutlers were issue with the materials to make up a dozen knives, and when they delivered them, they would draw their pay. Sometimes though, a cutler would be extra to squeeze out an extra knife, so he'd probably grind off the tang stamp, and sell it on the side, since the work was his, and he was a self-employed cutler (a Little Mester). So, feeling hard done to, the gaffers demanded 13 knives to the dozen. The first to introduce this was a gaffer named Watkinson, who was the Master Cutler at one time. As a consequence, the cutler's favourite 'poet', the great Joseph Mather, penned what would become his best-known song, which was known, way beyond both Mather and Watkinson's deaths, by ever cutler in the town. It's singing hounded Watkinson everywhere he went, until the end of his life, with the crowds in the cheap seats of Sheffield Theatre, singing it uproariously, whenever Watkinson entered, often led by Mather himself. Unfortunately Watkinson was not the only gaffer to introduce the practice, and George Wostenholm II even pushed a cutler's dozen to 14.

Watkinson And His Thirteens

This monster oppression behold how he stalks,
Keeps picking the bones of the poor as he walks,
There's not a mechanic throughout this whole land
But more or less feels the weight of his hand;
That offspring of tyranny, baseness and pride,
Our rights hath invaded and almost destroyed
May that man be banished who villainy screens:
Or sides with big Watkinson with his thirteens

Chorus:
And may the odd knife his great carcass dissect,
Lay open his vitals for men to inspect,
A heart full as black as the infernal gulf,
In that greedy, blood sucking, bone scraping wolf.

This wicked dissenter, expelled his own church,
Is rendered the subject of public reproach:
Since reprobate marks on his forehead appeared,
We all have concluded his conscience is seared:
See mammon his god, and oppression his aim,
Hark! how the streets ring with his infamous name,
The boys at the playhouse exhibit strange scenes
Respecting big Watkinson with his thirteens.

Chorus

Like Pharaoh for baseness, that type of the de'il,
He wants to flog journeymen with rods of steel,
And certainly would, had he got Pharaoh's power,
His heart is as hard, and his temper as sour;
But justice repulsed him and set us all free,
Like bond-slaves of old in the year jubilee.
May those be transported or sent for marines
That works for big Watkinson at his thirteens.

Chorus

We claim as true Yorkshire men leave to speak twice,
That no man should work for him at any price,
Since he has attempted our lives to enthral,
And mingle our liquor with wormwood and gall;
Beelzebub take him with his ill-got pelf,
He's equally bad, if not worse than thyself;
So shall every cutler that honestly means
Cry 'take away Watkinson with his thirteens.'

Chorus

But see foolish mortals! Far worse than insane,
Three fourths are returned into Egypt again;
Although Pharaoh's hands they had fairly escaped,
Now they must submit for their bones to be scraped;
Whilst they give themselves and their all for a prey
Let us be unanimous and jointly say,
Success to our sovereign who peaceably reigns,
But down with both Watkinson's twelves and thirteens.

And may the odd knife his great carcass dissect,
Lay open his vitals for men to inspect,
A heart full as black as the infernal gulf,
In that greedy, blood sucking, bone scraping wolf.

Interest stuff, Jack. God forbid the fella doing all the work make a few pence on the side. Love the song, and fact that he was regularly heckled with it.

You could contact GEC and get the proper cap. I'm missing the button for mine , I don't know if you can get replacement buttons though.

Did the #93 Lamb come with a button/pin? I honestly don’t remember, I’d have to go check the tube (where I usually leave all those, so I don’t forget what knives they came with).

I took the girls to the library earlier this evening, so they could return some books, check some new ones out, and mess around for a bit in the children’s section. I spotted this book on display and figured I had to take a picture. (Hope the non-Lambsfoot on the cover doesn’t warrant a slap on the wrist.) The Lambsfoot in the photo with the book is my Katalox Albers.

 

[Jack Black]

My pleasure Jack and thanks for the history lesson

Thank you, my apologies for the typos in my post

 

[Jack Black]

Yorkshire Spartans!

By the way, Long John Silver must be from Yorkshire: he says "By gum!"

Brilliant Vince, I hadn't noticed that about Long John, I guess when I was a kid, I thought everyone said 'By Gum'! I wouldn't have known what a minced oath was either

'Sweet as a nut' is a phrase, which is associated with South East England, where it is commonly used, and also parodied. That unusual Homeric take is a clip from a children's TV series called 'Horrible Histories' I understand My first search turned up this ballad to the London town of Romford. I guess most folks have a certain fondness for their 'home town', however unlikely that may seem

Romford Man:

Wow! They had no mercy on his black soul!!!

No, further songs followed, and there is no relentance in Watkinson's Repentence

Watkinson's Repentance

At length this old wolf to repentance is bought,
Who a long time in Sheffield has wandered about,
A large blackguard snatch as of late he has made,
To pull down the prices of the cutlering trade.

Chorus

But he gets well remember'd what a rogue he has been
In extending dozens from twelve to thirteen.

This is full repentance and a lamentable tale,
I had rather been broken and sent to the jail
Than heard such a scandal be sung through the town,
That the name of great Watkinson doth pull prices down.

It is every night that I go to my rest,
My conscience doth constantly pierce thro' my breast,
I seldom can sleep, but I constantly dream
I hear thousands shouting "I will have thirteen"

Once I was walking the street up and down,
The most that pass'd by me spoke with a frown,
Singing "there goes old Watkinson who has lost his brain,
And never must discover his senses again."

One night to the play I happened to go,
But I could not rest long, they troubled me so,
For before in the play-house long time I had been,
The whole gallery shouted "I will have thirteen."

Come all Sheffield masters, take warning by me,
For fear you should share in the same fate you see,
And never attempt poor men's bones for the scrape,
Who daily do labour for all that they do get.

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What an outstanding photo of that titanic trio Dwight

Bonus pic of the day



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Superb Steve

Sounds like the original form of " Piece Work ".

Definitely. I hope that I didn't imply that the cutlers only had to produce a dozen knives, they would have to produce dozens each DAY, but were only paid at the end of the week, of course, less reductions, and any rejected knives cast aside. Reputedly, Wostenholm liked to sit up on a 'throne' as the cutlers presented their knives to him. He would strike each blade on a small anvil, and cast aside any that he didn't like the sound of. A Sheffield cutler I know, half my age, told me that he remembered, as a child, seeing his mother and father, (both of whom I also knew), dragging a large box of knives, up the hill in the snow, on Christmas Eve, to go and get their remuneration, and pay for the following day's lunch. That would have been no earlier than the late 1970's.

Evening Guardians! Sawman helping out today.

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A very handsome-looking Lamb David

Snakewood today
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Very nice Mitch

Very interesting history Jack!

Thanks David, I need to go back, and correct my typos

Thanks guys! The trio is no more. I gifted one of em some time ago.

Extremely generous

Thanks Bob,
Things are a bit up and down at the moment but that's what life does to you

Sorry to hear that Mitch, I hope things even out

Well mystery solved it definitely is an incorrect tube top. Inside the tube was the original bar code. . Definitely Dark Chestnut Jigged Bone Lamb.

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You could contact GEC and get the proper cap. I'm missing the button for mine , I don't know if you can get replacement buttons though.

You guys want to think yourselves lucky, I have a GEC with an unstamped bolster!

You can, it’s less than a dollar but the shipping is about six bucks so it makes sense to get several when you do an order. I ordered about 4-5 when I had one I was missing.

Shhh...you'll start a stampede!

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Hey everyone, forgive me if this isn't the right place. A few weeks ago I got this very beat up knife from a thrift store for $10. I posted a couple pictures and you all identified it as a 1926 Schrade pretty much immediately, which most likely didn't begin life as a lambsfoot. The pictures don't really show it but originally the pivot was so bent that the tang wasn't touching the backspring in places, so it was unusably loose. I decided to go ahead and take it apart and do my best to restore it, and this is the result! It's pretty scuffed but the walk and talk is nice now, and all the rust is cleaned off and its been oiled so at least it isn't falling apart anymore. It was a fun project! I highly recommend trying a restoration project if you find any old junkers with solid bones.

Thank you for bringing this here How fascinating! Someone really missed having a Lambsfoot! It looks like they did a really good job before time took its toll. Well done

Your Rosewood HHB has a lovely backside, Dwight! I should take a pile-side pic of mine sometime, it has a knot/void in the wood that gives it some nice character.

I hope that you're talking about a knife here Barrett!

Interest stuff, Jack. God forbid the fella doing all the work make a few pence on the side. Love the song, and fact that he was regularly heckled with it.

There was a subsequent court-case on the issue. With the cutlery gaffers also being the magistrates the outcome is unsurprising, though arguing that a dozen was not a fixed number took a deal of legal chicanery.

Did the #93 Lamb come with a button/pin? I honestly don’t remember, I’d have to go check the tube (where I usually leave all those, so I don’t forget what knives they came with).

I took the girls to the library earlier this evening, so they could return some books, check some new ones out, and mess around for a bit in the children’s section. I spotted this book on display and figured I had to take a picture. (Hope the non-Lambsfoot on the cover doesn’t warrant a slap on the wrist.) The Lambsfoot in the photo with the book is my Katalox Albers.

Nice to see that book in the library! It sells quite well over here, despite the constant anti-knife propaganda

Good morning Guardians (had to look at my watch then, to make sure it still was!), I hope everyone is doing well, and that those who are otherwise, are soon better. My cough is worse today I'm afraid, but I'm still no worse than if I had a bad cold, I don't think. January sure has been a long month, and it seems like a long time since I was (barely) in command of Abdhul! I shall name this knife after him in appreciation of his brief service! Have a good day Guardians

Hut! Hut!

 

[mitch13]

Brilliant Vince, I hadn't noticed that about Long John, I guess when I was a kid, I thought everyone said 'By Gum'! I wouldn't have known what a minced oath was either

'Sweet as a nut' is a phrase, which is associated with South East England, where it is commonly used, and also parodied. That unusual Homeric take is a clip from a children's TV series called 'Horrible Histories' I understand My first search turned up this ballad to the London town of Romford. I guess most folks have a certain fondness for their 'home town', however unlikely that may seem

Romford Man:

No, further songs followed, and there is no relentance in Watkinson's Repentence

Watkinson's Repentance

At length this old wolf to repentance is bought,
Who a long time in Sheffield has wandered about,
A large blackguard snatch as of late he has made,
To pull down the prices of the cutlering trade.

Chorus

But he gets well remember'd what a rogue he has been
In extending dozens from twelve to thirteen.

This is full repentance and a lamentable tale,
I had rather been broken and sent to the jail
Than heard such a scandal be sung through the town,
That the name of great Watkinson doth pull prices down.

It is every night that I go to my rest,
My conscience doth constantly pierce thro' my breast,
I seldom can sleep, but I constantly dream
I hear thousands shouting "I will have thirteen"

Once I was walking the street up and down,
The most that pass'd by me spoke with a frown,
Singing "there goes old Watkinson who has lost his brain,
And never must discover his senses again."

One night to the play I happened to go,
But I could not rest long, they troubled me so,
For before in the play-house long time I had been,
The whole gallery shouted "I will have thirteen."

Come all Sheffield masters, take warning by me,
For fear you should share in the same fate you see,
And never attempt poor men's bones for the scrape,
Who daily do labour for all that they do get.

What an outstanding photo of that titanic trio Dwight

Superb Steve

Definitely. I hope that I didn't imply that the cutlers only had to produce a dozen knives, they would have to produce dozens each DAY, but were only paid at the end of the week, of course, less reductions, and any rejected knives cast aside. Reputedly, Wostenholm liked to sit up on a 'throne' as the cutlers presented their knives to him. He would strike each blade on a small anvil, and cast aside any that he didn't like the sound of. A Sheffield cutler I know, half my age, told me that he remembered, as a child, seeing his mother and father, (both of whom I also knew), dragging a large box of knives, up the hill in the snow, on Christmas Eve, to go and get their remuneration, and pay for the following day's lunch. That would have been no earlier than the late 1970's.

A very handsome-looking Lamb David

Very nice Mitch

Thanks David, I need to go back, and correct my typos

Extremely generous

Sorry to hear that Mitch, I hope things even out



You guys want to think yourselves lucky, I have a GEC with an unstamped bolster!

Shhh...you'll start a stampede!

Thank you for bringing this here How fascinating! Someone really missed having a Lambsfoot! It looks like they did a really good job before time took its toll. Well done

I hope that you're talking about a knife here Barrett!

There was a subsequent court-case on the issue. With the cutlery gaffers also being the magistrates the outcome is unsurprising, though arguing that a dozen was not a fixed number took a deal of legal chicanery.

Nice to see that book in the library! It sells quite well over here, despite the constant anti-knife propaganda

Good morning Guardians (had to look at my watch then, to make sure it still was!), I hope everyone is doing well, and that those who are otherwise, are soon better. My cough is worse today I'm afraid, but I'm still no worse than if I had a bad cold, I don't think. January sure has been a long month, and it seems like a long time since I was (barely) in command of Abdhul! I shall name this knife after him in appreciation of his brief service! Have a good day Guardians

Hut! Hut!

Feel better soon Jack.
Nice lamb!
I really liked horrible histories watched it with the kids.
I like stupid deaths

 

[Jack Black]

January sure has been a long month, and it seems like a long time since I was (barely) in command of Abdhul! I shall name this knife after him in appreciation of his brief service! Have a good day Guardians

Hut! Hut!

So much for the Covid brain-fog! What a load of old cobblers! My Lamb has giraffe bone covers, not camel! I've ridden on an elephant, but never a giraffe!

 

[Jack Black]

Feel better soon Jack.
Nice lamb!
I really liked horrible histories watched it with the kids.
I like stupid deaths

Thanks Mitch I recognise the voice of the actor playing the Grim Reaper

 

[SteveC]

Superb Steve

Thanks my friend !

Definitely. I hope that I didn't imply that the cutlers only had to produce a dozen knives, they would have to produce dozens each DAY, but were only paid at the end of the week, of course, less reductions, and any rejected knives cast aside. Reputedly, Wostenholm liked to sit up on a 'throne' as the cutlers presented their knives to him. He would strike each blade on a small anvil, and cast aside any that he didn't like the sound of. A Sheffield cutler I know, half my age, told me that he remembered, as a child, seeing his mother and father, (both of whom I also knew), dragging a large box of knives, up the hill in the snow, on Christmas Eve, to go and get their remuneration, and pay for the following day's lunch. That would have been no earlier than the late 1970's.

Makes me appreciate these old Lambs even more !

Good morning Guardians (had to look at my watch then, to make sure it still was!), I hope everyone is doing well, and that those who are otherwise, are soon better. My cough is worse today I'm afraid, but I'm still no worse than if I had a bad cold, I don't think. January sure has been a long month, and it seems like a long time since I was (barely) in command of Abdhul! I shall name this knife after him in appreciation of his brief service! Have a good day Guardians

Hut! Hut!

Hopefully February will bring you better health !

 

[Hoffmajo89]

Shhh...you'll start a stampede!

Don’t worry, you have to call and talk to another human being, that should scare off most of the problematic type

 

[Jack Black]

Hopefully February will bring you better health !

Thanks Steve Fractured skull, Covid, I sure hope so!

Don’t worry, you have to call and talk to another human being, that should scare off most of the problematic type

 

[Prester John]

Brilliant Vince, I hadn't noticed that about Long John, I guess when I was a kid, I thought everyone said 'By Gum'! I wouldn't have known what a minced oath was either

'Sweet as a nut' is a phrase, which is associated with South East England, where it is commonly used, and also parodied. That unusual Homeric take is a clip from a children's TV series called 'Horrible Histories' I understand My first search turned up this ballad to the London town of Romford. I guess most folks have a certain fondness for their 'home town', however unlikely that may seem

Romford Man:

No, further songs followed, and there is no relentance in Watkinson's Repentence

Watkinson's Repentance

At length this old wolf to repentance is bought,
Who a long time in Sheffield has wandered about,
A large blackguard snatch as of late he has made,
To pull down the prices of the cutlering trade.

Chorus

But he gets well remember'd what a rogue he has been
In extending dozens from twelve to thirteen.

This is full repentance and a lamentable tale,
I had rather been broken and sent to the jail
Than heard such a scandal be sung through the town,
That the name of great Watkinson doth pull prices down.

It is every night that I go to my rest,
My conscience doth constantly pierce thro' my breast,
I seldom can sleep, but I constantly dream
I hear thousands shouting "I will have thirteen"

Once I was walking the street up and down,
The most that pass'd by me spoke with a frown,
Singing "there goes old Watkinson who has lost his brain,
And never must discover his senses again."

One night to the play I happened to go,
But I could not rest long, they troubled me so,
For before in the play-house long time I had been,
The whole gallery shouted "I will have thirteen."

Come all Sheffield masters, take warning by me,
For fear you should share in the same fate you see,
And never attempt poor men's bones for the scrape,
Who daily do labour for all that they do get.

What an outstanding photo of that titanic trio Dwight

Superb Steve

Definitely. I hope that I didn't imply that the cutlers only had to produce a dozen knives, they would have to produce dozens each DAY, but were only paid at the end of the week, of course, less reductions, and any rejected knives cast aside. Reputedly, Wostenholm liked to sit up on a 'throne' as the cutlers presented their knives to him. He would strike each blade on a small anvil, and cast aside any that he didn't like the sound of. A Sheffield cutler I know, half my age, told me that he remembered, as a child, seeing his mother and father, (both of whom I also knew), dragging a large box of knives, up the hill in the snow, on Christmas Eve, to go and get their remuneration, and pay for the following day's lunch. That would have been no earlier than the late 1970's.

A very handsome-looking Lamb David

Very nice Mitch

Thanks David, I need to go back, and correct my typos

Extremely generous

Sorry to hear that Mitch, I hope things even out



You guys want to think yourselves lucky, I have a GEC with an unstamped bolster!

Shhh...you'll start a stampede!

Thank you for bringing this here How fascinating! Someone really missed having a Lambsfoot! It looks like they did a really good job before time took its toll. Well done

I hope that you're talking about a knife here Barrett!

There was a subsequent court-case on the issue. With the cutlery gaffers also being the magistrates the outcome is unsurprising, though arguing that a dozen was not a fixed number took a deal of legal chicanery.

Nice to see that book in the library! It sells quite well over here, despite the constant anti-knife propaganda

Good morning Guardians (had to look at my watch then, to make sure it still was!), I hope everyone is doing well, and that those who are otherwise, are soon better. My cough is worse today I'm afraid, but I'm still no worse than if I had a bad cold, I don't think. January sure has been a long month, and it seems like a long time since I was (barely) in command of Abdhul! I shall name this knife after him in appreciation of his brief service! Have a good day Guardians

Hut! Hut!

Hope you're feeling soon better, Jack. Had a bout with covid a couple of years ago. No fun!

 

[Rufus1949]

Late start, helping my wife get ready for road trip. Hope all are having a good week so far.

 

[Hoffmajo89]

Good morning all. Same knife, different breakfast for me today.

 

[screened porch]

Just back from the dentist. No fresh horrors except for the bill.

I'm still wrestling with my percolator, having brought it back upstairs and bought some whole beans. Maybe maximum home-ground* beans in the basket and 2/3 max of water will make me coffee I can't see through when it pours.

*Kate Bush song!
"You won't get me with your belladonna, in the coffee;
And you won't get me with your arsenic, in a cup of tea;
And you won't get me in a hole to rot, with your hemlock on the rocks."

 

[Jack Black]

Hope you're feeling soon better, Jack. Had a bout with covid a couple of years ago. No fun!

Thanks Vince, this is my fourth bout! Thankfully, none of them have been worse than the flu, though this recent strain has some different ones I rang Tool Man earlier, and his reaction was "Don't say you're not going to be at the market on Thursday."!

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Hope it's a good trip Bob Nice pic there

Good morning all. Same knife, different breakfast for me today.

Just back from the dentist. No fresh horrors except for the bill.

I'm still wrestling with my percolator, having brought it back upstairs and bought some whole beans. Maybe maximum home-ground* beans in the basket and 2/3 max of water will make me coffee I can't see through when it pours.

*Kate Bush song!
"You won't get me with your belladonna, in the coffee;
And you won't get me with your arsenic, in a cup of tea;
And you won't get me in a hole to rot, with your hemlock on the rocks."

What a horrible thing weak coffee is! I always took Kate for a light-hearted type of gal! Dentists' bills are horror enough Jer, I'm glad there was none further