Guardians of The Lambsfoot!

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Jack Black Jack Black , I can move this to Carl's Lounge if you like.


Now that you mention it, I can see they're at a table and their knife hands are resting on the table.

I read a paper which I lost in the transition from google books for free download to google books for reading in the cloud for a fee. It was a study of high status graves, which the author described as those containing a sword or a seax, but big knives didn't count as seaxes. Unfortunately, the author gave no clue as to how he decided which was which. Considering that there were schmall (?) seaxes and breit seaxes, as well as the insular broken-back seax which we all think is THE seax, the author's omission seems to me non-trivial. (I'd hate to think a big knife was a seax if it was found in a grave with other high-status-grave goods.)

Oakeshott illustrates a straight-backed machette-sized weapon dangling from someone's left side as a seax, and says it turned into the broken-back seax during the Viking age. And there was the Norwegian long seax that had a brief vogue in the 8th(?) century, which was a straight back-sword sometimes with a two-hand grip. O also says the description of Grettir the Strong's seax sounds like a Roman gladius, which spoils my desperate generalization that the only sure thing in a seax is a single edge.

Frustrating.

But a very cool old font.

And as long as I'm going on about seaxes, I'll mention that the Anglo-Saxon wills value the fetels of a seax as highly as the seax, and the fetels are thought from the context to be the carrying harness of the seax. And as long as I'm speculating, I'll speculate that fetel(s) was a variant of fell/pelt/felt, which I haven't looked up. Time I did, I guess.
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It's OK Jer, thanks for the Lambsfoot content, you have a nice collection there :thumbsup:

I've just been into town to get a few things, and was disappointed to see that my favourite Leeds tobacconist is closing down tomorrow :( I bought a pile of 2oz tobacco tins, a new Merkur razor, and a few other bits and bobs. For a non-smoker, I have spent a fair bit in the shop over the years, a few folks here have even had gifts from there, so I will be very sorry to see the shop close :( :thumbsup:

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you have a nice collection there :thumbsup:
Thanks to our man near Sheffield.
And thanks for indulging my seaxual content.

favourite Leeds tobacconist is closing down tomorrow :(
Bummer.
We seem to have tobacco chain stores opening up, a fair number of them. There's one old tobacco shop downtown that I hope will last until the PCH Prize Patrol arrives and I can afford to smoke again.
 
It's OK Jer, thanks for the Lambsfoot content, you have a nice collection there :thumbsup:

I've just been into town to get a few things, and was disappointed to see that my favourite Leeds tobacconist is closing down tomorrow :( I bought a pile of 2oz tobacco tins, a new Merkur razor, and a few other bits and bobs. For a non-smoker, I have spent a fair bit in the shop over the years, a few folks here have even had gifts from there, so I will be very sorry to see the shop close :( :thumbsup:

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Sad to see shops like that close.

I have that same razor--so much better than the multi-blade plastic, ridiculously expensive, disposables. Wife likes my beard, though, so may not use it for awhile. If I get my lambsfoot really sharp, maybe I could use that. It's the right shape.

Heading to a gun show tomorrow, mostly to look at knives and knife sheaths.

Hope you're getting some relief for your cough. Have a great weekend!

-Vince
 
I have that same razor--so much better than the multi-blade plastic, ridiculously expensive, disposables.

I do, too. And I agree.

I’ve had a full beard for the last couple of years, though so it’s been a while since it and my shaving brush have seen much use.

I do keep my lambsfoot knives shaving sharp, but I’m not brave enough to try them on my face or neck. :eek:
 
Real enough GT, W Jno Baker had them made up in Sheffield, probably by Taylor's Eye Witness for the Australian market :thumbsup:
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Morning folks, I was up at 6.00am thinking about Lambsfoot history! :rolleyes: Hope everyone is having a good week. I thought I'd carry my rosewood Big 'Un today for Wooden Wednesday :thumbsup:
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Thanks for those catalog images, Jack! :cool::thumbsup::thumbsup: It's great to see that spey/lambsfoot has been done before (although it dashes my hopes of making a lasting contribution to the history of pocket knives by "inventing" that combo :(:mad:).

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Dave and Jack, those large rosewood models are handsome (and timely ;))! :cool::thumbsup::cool:

I'm totin some Ebony today! After all it is Wednesday! :p:eek::D
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Great Wednesday choice, Ron; dignified-looking knife! :thumbsup::cool::thumbsup:

I do that when watching TV in my recliner.
I usually wake up when my knife hits the floor.
:D:D

Took this pic for GT ;) :D :thumbsup:

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Thanks, Jack. :) The man DOES have a Willisesque aura. ;):cool: And Prester John Prester John , I can finally see the Burgess Meredith resemblance (as in Rocky); until just now, my usual state of confusion had me reading "Burgess Meredith" as "Burl Ives" and I just didn't see it! :eek::rolleyes::confused:

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Beautiful weather here now, I'm hoping it'll stay like this for the weekend, as I should be able to get out for a hike :) Hope everyone is having a good week :thumbsup:

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I hope everyone is well. Carrying the AC today, showing off the pile side for a change.

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Secret’s in the sauce! When you run out of bbq sauce, simply make your own. No place like the South!
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Not even Saturday, and we get to enjoy lots of stag lambsfoots!! :cool::thumbsup::thumbsup:;)
Jack, a comforting background for someone who shoveled snow this morning! :(
Dave, nice shot of the blade etch! :thumbsup::cool:
Dylan, the pile-side red-orange tints are hot! ;):thumbsup:
Jody, your AC is saucy! ;):thumbsup:

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Knife content... Lambscliffe :D
Wishlist Alert!! :rolleyes:
Very nice, John! :thumbsup::thumbsup::cool:

I carry a lambsfoot...

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... because I wouldn’t feel completely dressed without one in my right front pocket.

How ‘bout you?
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Thank you for the compliments GT, I always enjoy reading through your mammoth posts :) :thumbsup:
Thanks, Jack; I usually enjoy writing them! ;):thumbsup::thumbsup:

Wonderful pic GT :thumbsup:
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Friday is here! :) I hope everyone has had a good week, the weekend is nearly here :) :thumbsup:

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At the risk of repeating myself, thanks, Jack. :) Great autumn shot of your ebony Guardians lambsfoot! :cool::cool::thumbsup:

Gary, you've been hanging out with the students to long, thinking LF was off color, OMG! :eek::p:D
Guilty as charged, Dave! ;):p

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Jack, you are an ambitious soul! :thumbsup:;):thumbsup:

...Oh it's not that empty. There's farms, villages, a few A roads to cross, even a motorway. But in comparison to some parts it's still pretty empty. :thumbsup:
And thanks for the compliment. It's not Mordor, it's the county of Lancashire. Though there's a certain Yorkshireman on this thread who I think would tell you there one and the same place... :D
Hope the Man Jack is serving you well this week.:thumbsup:
:D:p I might know whom you mean, David.
The more I use the Man Jack, the more I like it! :cool::cool::thumbsup:

I carry a Lambsfoot...
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Cos pork pies don't half themselves.... :)
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Intriguing pic! Looking east, or west? (Does one eat pork pies for breakfast? :confused:) Are there hills/mountains on the horizon?

Impressive shot of your flock, Jer! :cool::cool::thumbsup:

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I've just been into town to get a few things, and was disappointed to see that my favourite Leeds tobacconist is closing down tomorrow :( ...
Sorry to hear that, Jack. :(

My Man Jack is kind of fancy for a guy like me who's not:
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- GT
 
Thanks to our man near Sheffield.
And thanks for indulging my seaxual content.


Bummer.
We seem to have tobacco chain stores opening up, a fair number of them. There's one old tobacco shop downtown that I hope will last until the PCH Prize Patrol arrives and I can afford to smoke again.

Old-fashioned Tobacconists are getting really rare here now (unlike 'vape shops' which are on every street corner). There used to be a great one in Sheffield, but it closed decades ago :(

Sad to see shops like that close.

I have that same razor--so much better than the multi-blade plastic, ridiculously expensive, disposables. Wife likes my beard, though, so may not use it for awhile. If I get my lambsfoot really sharp, maybe I could use that. It's the right shape.

Heading to a gun show tomorrow, mostly to look at knives and knife sheaths.

Hope you're getting some relief for your cough. Have a great weekend!

-Vince

Excellent Vince :) :thumbsup: I hope you have a great time at the gun show :) Thanks my friend, not yet I'm afraid, but I am looking forward to going for a hike tomorrow :) :thumbsup:

I do, too. And I agree.

I’ve had a full beard for the last couple of years, though so it’s been a while since it and my shaving brush have seen much use.

I do keep my lambsfoot knives shaving sharp, but I’m not brave enough to try them on my face or neck. :eek:

Good for you Greg, I keep meaning to use one of my straights, but I might cough at the wrong time! eek: ;) :thumbsup:
 
Thanks for those catalog images, Jack! :cool::thumbsup::thumbsup: It's great to see that spey/lambsfoot has been done before (although it dashes my hopes of making a lasting contribution to the history of pocket knives by "inventing" that combo :(:mad:).

A pleasure my friend :) I think we've all re-invented something a time or two ;) We still tease my son-in-law about the time he announced his idea for a combination spoon and fork, and the whole room responded as one, "A Spork?"! :D He'd never seen one (even though Spork had considerably better marketing than did the Runcible Spoon)! :rolleyes: :D :thumbsup:

At the risk of repeating myself, thanks, Jack. :) Great autumn shot of your ebony Guardians lambsfoot! :cool::cool::thumbsup:


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My Man Jack is kind of fancy for a guy like me who's not:
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- GT

Thank you for all your kind words GT, nice to see your Man Jack :) :thumbsup:

I am a frequent visitor to the State of Confusion myself. ;)

You're not alone there my friend! :D :thumbsup:
 
192AA5B8-AF66-432D-91E3-E081F0A91B1D.jpeg I’ve been wanting a lambsfoot since getting into slipjoints and will most certainly obtain something from the Sheffield variety soon I hope, but I picked this up in a trade not too long ago and I absolutely love the blade shape. Hope y’all are enjoying your Friday
 
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:rolleyes: ;) :D :thumbsup:

Superb pic my friend, very atmospheric :) Are you off anywhere this weekend? :thumbsup:

Thanks Jack. I'm either in work tomorrow or off up to Rossendale area. I'm refusing to use Northern trains until next year so my walks for this year will all be in the West Pennines.
Where are you off to?
And sorry to hear about the tobacconists. Not a smoker myself but shops like that lend character to the otherwise drab and homogenized high streets. I think the tobacconist on Colliergate in York is still open and there's a large tobacconist in one of the arcades in Manchester. It's not olde worlde but it is very well stocked.

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Jack Black Jack Black , I can move this to Carl's Lounge if you like.


Now that you mention it, I can see they're at a table and their knife hands are resting on the table.

I read a paper which I lost in the transition from google books for free download to google books for reading in the cloud for a fee. It was a study of high status graves, which the author described as those containing a sword or a seax, but big knives didn't count as seaxes. Unfortunately, the author gave no clue as to how he decided which was which. Considering that there were schmall (?) seaxes and breit seaxes, as well as the insular broken-back seax which we all think is THE seax, the author's omission seems to me non-trivial. (I'd hate to think a big knife was a seax if it was found in a grave with other high-status-grave goods.)

Oakeshott illustrates a straight-backed machette-sized weapon dangling from someone's left side as a seax, and says it turned into the broken-back seax during the Viking age. And there was the Norwegian long seax that had a brief vogue in the 8th(?) century, which was a straight back-sword sometimes with a two-hand grip. O also says the description of Grettir the Strong's seax sounds like a Roman gladius, which spoils my desperate generalization that the only sure thing in a seax is a single edge.

Frustrating.

But a very cool old font.

And as long as I'm going on about seaxes, I'll mention that the Anglo-Saxon wills value the fetels of a seax as highly as the seax, and the fetels are thought from the context to be the carrying harness of the seax. And as long as I'm speculating, I'll speculate that fetel(s) was a variant of fell/pelt/felt, which I haven't looked up. Time I did, I guess.
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Crikey Jer thanks a lot! You've obviously given the Anglo-Saxons and Vikings some study :D:thumbsup: And given me a lot of references which I'll be turning my Google-foo upon.
I'm no expert on their weaponary but I remember reading some time ago that a Seax referred to the single-bladed knives of the Anglo-Saxons regardless of the blade length. So from the small fixed bladed belt knives carried by children and women to battle swords with 3 or 4 foot length blades. Of course the longswords reference could of referred to the Norwegian Seax you mention there.
I wasn't even aware that Oakeshott had classified Anglo-Saxon and Viking weaponary, I've always associated his work in classifying the arming sword of the later (Norman onwards) medieval period.
But I wonder then if the different forms of Seaxs evolved from the different tribes. We say Anglo-Saxons, but in reality there were other tribes (notably the Jutes) who settled in Britain at the same time, and I've just done a bit of reading whilst writing this and it would seem that the Viking Sax is different again.
Your right; it's frustrating :D, but I also wonder if the seax was the origin of the Lambsfoot...
To wet your appetite here's a couple of pics of the Middleton Crosses, from St' Michael's Church, in the village of Middleton in North Yorkshire. There proven 9th-10th century so definately Viking.
They both show a representation of Viking warriors, both carrying Seaxs.
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Poorer quality, sorry.
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Again more to look up thanks :thumbsup:

Oh and I forgot to thank you for the reference to Great Haseley. I actually have relatives who live near there so I can put it on the list :thumbsup:
And as GT said, great looking herd you have there.

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Intriguing pic! Looking east, or west? (Does one eat pork pies for breakfast? :confused:) Are there hills/mountains on the horizon

My Man Jack is kind of fancy for a guy like me who's not:
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- GT

Thanks GT. Would you believe that was 3PM? (Approaching dusk in the UK at this time of year). Behind the Gerrard's Bakers pork pie is the Dee Estuary in Cheshire looking roughly north east, with the Ruabon Hills in north Wales in the distance.
And I guess you could eat pork pies for breakfast, (and given the calories in them you probably should) but I prefer porridge (what you chaps call oatmeal) with honey or syrup :D:thumbsup:
And as always great file work on the backspring there :thumbsup:

I am a frequent visitor to the State of Confusion myself. ;)

I'm a permanent resident. I even have my residency permit. I'd show it to you, but I've forgotten where I put it....:)
 
View attachment 1021509 I’ve been wanting a lambsfoot since getting into slipjoints and will most certainly obtain something from the Sheffield variety soon I hope, but I picked this up in a trade not too long ago and I absolutely love the blade shape. Hope y’all are enjoying your Friday

Congratulations, the scratted bone Ancient Barlow is much sought after and hard to find :eek: Not quite a Lambsfoot I don't think, but certainly a lovely knife. You'll find some discussion about the knife earlier in the thread, links are in the thread index here: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/guardians-of-the-lambsfoot.1406735/page-172#post-17681582 :thumbsup:

I carry a lambsfoot . . .

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. . . because, as we learned on Seinfeld, all civilised people consume their candy with a knife and fork.

How 'bout you?

LOL! Excellent post Vince! :D :thumbsup:

Thanks Jack. I'm either in work tomorrow or off up to Rossendale area. I'm refusing to use Northern trains until next year so my walks for this year will all be in the West Pennines.
Where are you off to?

Hope it's the latter David :thumbsup: Yeah, same here, seems a long time since I was able to get far on a Saturday, not been on one since the strikes started. We're off to Newmiller Dam on the other side of Wakefield, two bus-rides there, but the buses are regular at least :thumbsup:
 
Congratulations, the scratted bone Ancient Barlow is much sought after and hard to find :eek: Not quite a Lambsfoot I don't think, but certainly a lovely knife. You'll find some discussion about the knife earlier in the thread, links are in the thread index here: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/guardians-of-the-lambsfoot.1406735/page-172#post-17681582 :thumbsup:

Thank you for the reference material, I checked the comments relating to this topic. Looks like there’s tons of interesting information catalogued there, I will most certainly be taking a peek. Would you like me to remove my original post?
 
Thank you for the reference material, I checked the comments relating to this topic. Looks like there’s tons of interesting information catalogued there, I will most certainly be taking a peek. Would you like me to remove my original post?

A pleasure, the thread index is a great resource set up by WhittlinAway WhittlinAway :) Hope you enjoy the reading. No need to worry about your post, but thanks. Hope you have a great weekend :thumbsup:
 
Crikey Jer thanks a lot! You've obviously given the Anglo-Saxons and Vikings some study :D:thumbsup:
And then there's Gregory of Tours, with his scramasaxes, which are supposed to be mysterious, but might not the scram element be related to scrimmage/skirmish/scrum?
 
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