H1 and Warrior Knife

Why is this knife H1? VG-10 would have been better, as I see it. Is H1 cheaper or more functional for a fighter in any way?
 
I think H1 is more expensive very tough (this will bend before it breaks,) takes and holds a decent edge, is easy to sharpen and absolutely rustproof.

I don't know how big this knife is but if the blade is too long I would think VG-10 while having excellent edge retention from what I hear would be more prone to snapping if the knife encountered significant force such as banging or prying.
 
There is not a single application for a fighter of that size in VG-10 that I could see snapping in use.

Its not a huge issue, its just that H1's edge retention is terrible. Still the design is so awesome that I will buy it anyway. Props to Spyderco for again making a knife that there was not a lot of profit for.
 
J85909266 said:
Why is this knife H1? VG-10 would have been better, as I see it. Is H1 cheaper or more functional for a fighter in any way?
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H1 is better IMO for this type of knife and H1 is a more expensive steel . the biggest advantage with H1 is it's rust proof , so as a hunting/tactical/survival knife H1 is zero maintenance . another benefit of H1 is that it's work hardened , which means the more you sharpen it the harder the edge gets . as spyderco grinds the knife the edges take a higher HRC than the center of the knife , this cause the knife to act as if it was differentially tempered . actually the N690Co steel used in hossom fixed blades is very close to VG-10 , the N690Co has a slightly higher carbon and chome content than VG-10 .

p.s. most likely the next spyderco i purchase will be in H1 , i will bring it to work and cut lots of paper and test to see how good the edge retention is .
 
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Well, I have used H1, and it does get better, but initially, it sucks.

For a fighter, a knife that will not a see a lot of practical use, H1 makes no sense to me. You act like conventional stainless is 52-100. Rust is rarely an issue with stainless steels that have much higher performance than H1.
 
J85909266 said:
Well, I have used H1, and it does get better, but initially, it sucks.

For a fighter, a knife that will not a see a lot of practical use, H1 makes no sense to me. You act like conventional stainless is 52-100. Rust is rarely an issue with stainless steels that have much higher performance than H1.
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the knife was originally developed for the Israeli special forces and in a combat situation having a blade that will not rust has it's advantages . even good stainless steels can suffer from minor corrosion , which can lead to tarnishing/pitting at the cutting edge .
 
jimnolimit said:
the knife was originally developed for the Israeli special forces and in a combat situation having a blade that will not rust has it's advantages . even good stainless steels can suffer from minor corrosion , which can lead to tarnishing/pitting at the cutting edge .
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This is a bit of an exaggeration. H1 makes little sense.
 
I have never, ever had pitting at the cutting edge of any knife I have used, carbon steel included. To think that any application that a fighter would implicate would cause edge pitting in a stainless steel is absurd.

Any benefit that it would garner would be much outweighed by better wear-resistance and edge stability.

You people far, far overestimate the dangers of corrosion.

That is my final statement barring more significant input.
 
J85909266 said:
I have never, ever had pitting at the cutting edge of any knife I have used, carbon steel included. To think that any application that a fighter would implicate would cause edge pitting in a stainless steel is absurd.

Any benefit that it would garner would be much outweighed by better wear-resistance and edge stability.

You people far, far overestimate the dangers of corrosion.

That is my final statement barring more significant input.
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i agree , for most people they will never encounter a corrosion problem , but this knife wasn't designed for the average person , it was designed for the Israeli military to be used under specific harsh conditions . after much testing , H1 was selected because it best fit there criteria , im pretty sure if VG-10 would have worked better for there use , the warrior would be made out of it .

p.s. VG-10 isn't used in diving knives , maybe because it's not optimal in a salt water environment .
 
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Weell... I would imagine that the super-secret, black-wearing, splish-splash-flippers-galore, Israeli commandos will appreciate a knife that can withstand salt water environment as best as possible.

And since it is intended as a combat knife, it could be a little bit macabre to ponder on exactly how many throats it can slit before going dull. :o
 
"p.s. under heavy kitchen use my 10" shun chef's knife (VG-10 core) pits at the cutting edge , im pretty sure salt water would be even harsher on VG-10 ."


After working on a beach for years I can attest that salt air and salt water is pure hell on ANY type of steel. If it is steel regardless of of how stainless it is SALT WATER AND SALTY AIR WILL GET IT TO RUST that is why they make titanium and H1 blades.
 
jimnolimit said:
i agree , for most people they will never encounter a corrosion problem , but this knife wasn't designed for the average person , it was designed for the Israeli military to be used under specific harsh conditions . after much testing H1 was selected because it best fit there criteria , im pretty sure if VG-10 would have worked better for there use , the warrior would be made out of it .

p.s. VG-10 isn't used in diving knives , maybe because it's not optimal in a salt water environment .
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Well, if part of the intended use is being covered in salt water all the time, then I guess it makes some sense. Why not compromise a bit and use 440C?
 
And why is 440C a better alternative than H-1?

H-1 is a supremely tough steel that takes and keeps a good edge for a long while and will only get better with use (work hardening) and on top of that its immune to rust.

Why go without 440C?

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Well, if part of the intended use is being covered in salt water all the time, then I guess it makes some sense. Why not compromise a bit and use 440C?
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Hi Joe,

The knife was created by Guy Rafaeli for specific purpose and 4.0mm H1 was his requested steel. He designed the model and made the first prototypes. Guy is an accomplished martial artist.

Although the design did not begin as a Warrior, but a clean sheet, we call it a Warrior because of the similarity in appearance to the original Warrior design.

We also felt that the history of the original design would lend additional reason for the "S" shaped design.

I might aslso add that the serrated H1 Jumpmaster had better edge retention than any other blade tested.

sal
 
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