H1...chips and bends

D1omedes said:
There is the remote possibility that you received an H1 blade with a bad heat treat. Pictures would definitely help, as would be where you purchased the knife (so we can rule out a counterfeit). If you actually have a poorly heat-treated knife, I'm sure the Spydercrew would take care of you.
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If I'm not mistaken, H1 is not heat treated.
 
RevDevil said:
Wow, this should be good:
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+1

i bring the beers
 
unit said:
I got a whole bunch of popcorn ready for this one.

Let us not forget the possibility that the same person who intentionally drops a knife (and suggests giving a potentially defective knife/toy to a child) might also lack knowledge of how to properly sharpen or gauge what is happening during this chip inducing sharpening session.

Oh yeah, I have seen counterfeit Spydercos too. There could be lots of plausible explanations here.

No offense to anyone intended....this thread needs images.
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^^^my thoughts exactly^^^

btw, they have this new flavored 'popcorn seasoning' really good cuz it sticks to the corn :D
 
A.P.F. said:
You are not mistaken. H-1 is a 'work hardening' steel.
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H1 is both heat treated and work hardened, though the heat treatment is not what we normally think of for knife blades.

Looks like the OP has vacated his thread. It's certainly possible that the knife got a bad treatment of some sort, though from Spyderco this seems extremely rare.

Try to keep an open mind w/r to the terminology used. There are quite a few people in the knife community to which strength and toughness mean the same thing, or at least they don't know the difference and use the terms interchangably. To some people, especially new members with little prior experience in knives, any roughness of the edge is a "chip". If using a pull through carbide sharpener, they are likely tears (like paper, not from the eye). Using a small crossed rod ceramic type sharpener, one could get ripples and possibly tears as well. It takes pretty close examination and a little knowledge to tell the difference. The knife likely went through the box when dropped and the tip hit the floor. Until there are pictures or more written details, we can't know what happened.
 
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Come on, it was just a typo. It was suppose to read, cardboard knife and H1 box.
All kidding aside, pictures would indeed be nice...
 
Jraptor said:
I decided to sharpen the blade and descended into hell. I have the small hand held sharpener I us on all my other knives and went to work on it. Imagine my horror after inspecting the edge and finding it chipped on the edge from the top to bottom of blade.
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Was it one of those carbide V sharpeners that you drag the blade through, like the Accusharp or the BM Field sharpener (google them)? If so, those are absolute crap and will ruin any proper edge instantly. Don't use them. EDIT: I see that me2 beat me to it.

I decided to take a bread and dropped the blade from about 1 foot into a cardboard box (empty). OMG....now the tip is bent.
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Was there something under the box? Like the floor perhaps?

This meatle reminds me of aluminum.
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The what?
 
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meatle=metal I think

Chipped edges and bent tip makes me think it was differentially work-hardened:D
 
Jraptor said:
I got a Spyde, like the one that is being passed around. I really liked the shape, handle, and the idea the the steel would never rust. I heard that the trade of was that it was a bit less tough, but figured that is would be a decent trade off for the no-rust ability. It is the fixed blade verson with H1 Steel.
The sheath was excellent and the look and feel of the nice was superior (thought I wish I could have found the black handle instead of the yellow.
I decided to sharpen the blade and descended into hell. I have the small hand held sharpener I us on all my other knives and went to work on it. Imagine my horror after inspecting the edge and finding it chipped on the edge from the top to bottom of blade. I tried a ceramic sharpener with the same results. I have NEVER owned a knife that chipped like this when sharpened. I decided to take a bread and dropped the blade from about 1 foot into a cardboard box (empty). OMG....now the tip is bent. This meatle reminds me of aluminum. I was horrified. I pray their new Spyderco knife made from H1 is a better knife, cause mine was a piece of garbage. I could probably give it to my kids to play with (no, I won't) since it is a "toy" knife.
I loved this knife the first month but now hate it and wish I could buy something else.
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Interesting......

I have used a couple of H1 Salt series knives for a few years now when kayaking, swimming, practicing my hobby of jumping from high places into water and when sailing out on the boat. I have dropped my pacific Salt from about 6 or so feet on to rocks and I lost a mm or 2 from the tip and a few dings in the edge, that was it. I have also sharpened both the kives I use most often many times now with zero problems as far as chipping goes.

I personally fail to see how you could have had the problems you describe.........:confused:
 
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I had my Brother (who's a big strong guy) stab my Salt into this chestnut tree as hard as he could. No tip damage and no damage to the knife.
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unit said:
I got a whole bunch of popcorn ready for this one.

Let us not forget the possibility that the same person who intentionally drops a knife (and suggests giving a potentially defective knife/toy to a child) might also lack knowledge of how to properly sharpen or gauge what is happening during this chip inducing sharpening session.

Oh yeah, I have seen counterfeit Spydercos too. There could be lots of plausible explanations here.

No offense to anyone intended....this thread needs images.
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I completely agree. I am assuming that this is a counterfeit spyderco with some crap steel that wasnt heat treated well at all. Although, bending and chipping is weird. Pull through sharpeners never work and will give a crappy edge on even the best of steels. if there were pictures it would be easy to understand....
 
Jraptor said:
I decided to take a bread and dropped the blade from about 1 foot into a cardboard box (empty). OMG....now the tip is bent. This meatle reminds me of aluminum. I was horrified.
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Even if the blade was made out of aluminum, dropping it 1 foot into a cardboard box wouldn't be able to bend the tip.

P.S. My BS meter is detecting large amounts!
 
What a wonderful "seagull" review this is turning out to be. If you can really call it a "review" when the model of knife is not even noted...
 
C'mon, let's not judge :/ Perhaps he's busy :)

I'm guessing the chips he noted are really edge rolls, though I'm at a loss as to how that'd happen from simple sharpening.
 
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