hancea is a SCUMBAG do not deal with him!

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Natedog351

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Negative feedback has been posted but I feel like this also needs to be shown here. Quite frankly I hope he is banned.
Here is also a link to my thread where he said he would take the knife. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1254521-Gareth-Bull-3-5-quot-framelock-shamwari

Here's what happened:
Recently sold a knife to hancea (Casian Muresan) it was on Friday afternoon (Jan 23rd) that I received funds. I was already engaged in other errands so it was going to be this Monday when I shipped the knife no problem. Then last night he messaged me asking for a refund because he changed his mind and wanted to buy something else.
I told him that was not ok with me that he shouldn't have bought the knife if he wasn't 100% sure he wanted it. However I still tried to come to a peaceful agreement where I would refund him all but 10% of the price (basically a restocking fee for my time).
Which he then responded that he wanted all of his money back and if he wasnt refunded then he just wouldnt sign for the knife meaning paypal would give him a refund anyways. This is not how things are done! I am now forced to give him a refund don't deal with this guy ever.
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Guess a person's word means little nowadays. While this is shady, I think the post here and a refund are the correct option. Thanks for the heads up on who not to deal with.

Have you sent him a link to this thread so he can have a chance to explain himself?
 
Kyui Su Kim said:
Guess a person's word means little nowadays. While this is shady, I think the post here and a refund are the correct option. Thanks for the heads up on who not to deal with.

Have you sent him a link to this thread so he can have a chance to explain himself?
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I have issued him a refund already and he has been made aware that negative feedback has been left yes.
You can very clearly see from his post that he only wanted a refund on the Shamwari he agreed to buy from me so he could buy a different 1 in silver twill here
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1255616-Bunch-of-Customs-All-are-priced-to-sell-!!
too bad for him Niel has now been made aware of the situation also so he might just get no knives
 
Natedog351 said:
I have issued him a refund already and he has been made aware that negative feedback has been left yes.
You can very clearly see from his post that he only wanted a refund on the Shamwari he agreed to buy from me so he could buy a different 1 in silver twill here
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1255616-Bunch-of-Customs-All-are-priced-to-sell-!!
too bad for him Niel has now been made aware of the situation also so he might just get no knives
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Seems like a sound resolution. :thumbup:
 
I'm curious as to why you felt entitled to keep 10%. What had you done toward shipping him the knife when he asked for the refund?
 
budthachud said:
I'm curious as to why you felt entitled to keep 10%. What had you done toward shipping him the knife when he asked for the refund?
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The knife was packaged up ready to go shipping label wasn't printed yet. In what way does changing your mind get any part of a refund? It doesn't like I said it was just an attempt to find middle ground he shouldn't get a refund at all honestly. That's part of buying you're supposed to be 100% positive you want that knife it's even in the rules.
I had already transferred funds to my bank account which takes 3-5days so the refund had to come directly from my account which effects bills etc that money was already set aside for other things. What if I had already even spent it? You can't just go around forcing refunds like that. It takes away time to find an actual legit buyer would you not think that 10% is not a fair compensation for the inconvenience? Most retailers feel that it is and so did I...
 
Both of you guys are at fault, and "scumbag" seems way too harsh.

Yeah, he's a PITA for changing his mind. But you should have given him 100% of his money back right away without the negative feedback and hate post. Honestly, what did you do to warrant a "restocking" fee? You even have a backup buyer on your FS post, for cryin' out loud.
 
Fortunately (or unfortunately), flaking out on a deal is not grounds for someone being banned. That would be a bit extreme and I'm sure given enough time every single person short of the owner would have done something to get themselves banned (myself included). The rules for a transaction state that people should not say "I'll take it" unless they are 100% sure they want the item. As it turns out, sometimes people change their mind. The sad thing is that they do not communicate or try to manage things in an efficient manner. Leaving a negative feedback when no transaction occurred isn't a good idea and is also against the rules. So going back to the original point, if we were to ban people for flaking out, we could also ban them for issuing negative feedback when clearly the deal was not completed.
If it were me, I'd be inconvenienced and upset of course. But, in hindsight as long as I was not out any money or an item I wouldn't really be too vindictive. I've had tire kickers come and say "I'll take it" in my sales threads and they vanished. That is why I have a disclaimer in my threads to prevent against this.
"The item will be available for sale until it is paid for and shipped"
But that is just me. One other thing to note, these threads when done without true justification have a nasty way of coming back around and kicking the author in the pants. It's happened dozens of times in the past.
 
I'm not defending what he did. It seems like he was definitely wrong.

However, you are not a retailer. It doesn't sound like you did $60 worth of work to me. Did you feel like you needed to punish the guy for changing his mind? This isn't a store. This is supposed to be a hobby. This is supposed to be fun.

I would be hesitant to deal with either of you at this point.

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The knife was packaged up ready to go shipping label wasn't printed yet. In what way does changing your mind get any part of a refund? It doesn't like I said it was just an attempt to find middle ground he shouldn't get a refund at all honestly. That's part of buying you're supposed to be 100% positive you want that knife it's even in the rules.
I had already transferred funds to my bank account which takes 3-5days so the refund had to come directly from my account which effects bills etc that money was already set aside for other things. What if I had already even spent it? You can't just go around forcing refunds like that. It takes away time to find an actual legit buyer would you not think that 10% is not a fair compensation for the inconvenience? Most retailers feel that it is and so did I...
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Yes, I would have to agree with everything Mr. Rev has said (Post #8)....... especially the part about, "Leaving a negative feedback when no transaction occurred isn't a good idea and is also against the rules."

I truly do feel for you and know that you were upset, but there's other ways to go about these actions. Other than trying to tarnish a persons name and character. It would seem easier to just have given a refund, discuss your concern about the manner in which business was conducted, and hopefully both of you learn from the experience. Plus you'd have the say so (in future transactions) to deal with that individual or not. Although, I think everyone deserves a second chance :-). At least in this instance, with the offense being so minor. It's not like he lied to you, tried to steal your money, or take your knife.

As you may already know, the knife community is a very special place. Filled with wonderful people....... and lots of respect. Let's not let this little endeavor spoil all of the fun, entertainment, and friends you'll make along the way.

(P.S.) Why did you feel the need to leave NEGATIVE feedback for two individuals....... on what seems like the same transaction.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/itrader.php?u=334612&iv=4

Do the right thing, buddy. Give the guy back his FULL REFUND, and see about getting those NEGATIVE feedbacks removed. Not only is it the appropriate thing too do (since the route you took is against the rules), but it should also make you feel better....... knowing you did your part :-). Remember, the knife community is what it is because of the people, not because of the knives.
 
Damage is DONE
Feedback as a NORM that I have seen in 11 years will not be removed..
Leaving any kind of FEEDBACK when the transaction was CHANGED to a refund--
That is simply not right--Word of mouth in this small community gets around **FAST**
He has sunk his own ship by him doing that...
NOW for him paying and back pedaling
I understand..Backing out of the deal before $$ has exchanged hands.
BUT paying and then asking for your money back--REALLY Hancea..
PUT HIM ON YOUR IGNORE LIST..
I am now placing him on mine ..Simply due to this sad state in how this was handled on his end.
Two wrongs Does not a RIGHT make..
Apologies are owed and we go forward..
DO not deal with him ever again. That is a choice you must make.
IGNORE LISTS are GREAT.. Hancea is NOW ON MY "Ignore List"
The 10% That's a bit petty.. But what ever way you wish to justify the """RESTOCKING FEE"""
I applaud you for giving the cash back
You paid for the ITEM.. ITS yours...Unless you get it and you choose to return it..Its very damning
You where seeking a different item and wanted your $$ back..That is NOT RIGHT-- Are ethics and morals not involved here AT ALL.??:mad:
IGNORE LIST--I have a few on mine and I am certain I am on a few members
That is ok. We all don't have to deal with each other.
NOW posting the post you did the way you went about it WAS MERELY your rage and
being pissed off. I get it and I FULLY UNDERSTAND.. It could have been handled more adult like..
Water over the bridge now..
It is what it is and lets enjoy the hobby and the GREAT folks in our BF family

My minor 2 cents...

-Keith
 
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I don't think that i did anything wrong here.I just backed up from deal,i am sure many of the guys here did that.It even happened to me once or twice,but i moved on.
The guy didn't even responded my emails,i asked him if he received the money aad when will he ship the knife,but no response.
Until i don't hold the knife in my hands the transaction is not over,so the money are still mine until then.
The reaction of this guy is way exaggerated !
 
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budthachud said:
I would be hesitant to deal with either of you at this point.
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Winner, winner, chicken dinner!!

Hancea flaked on a deal. That is bad form, nothing more. Natedog trying to keep 10% was, imho in worse form. Glad you posted up about this, Nate. Now I know to watch out for both you and Hancea.
 
hancea said:
I don't think that i did anything wrong here.I just backed up from deal,i am sure many of the guys here did that.It even happened to me once or twice,but i moved on.
The guy didn't even responded my emails,i asked him if he received the money aad when will he ship the knife,but no response.
Until i don't hold the knife in my hands the transaction is not over,so the money are still mine until then.
The reaction of this guy is way overreacted!
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But you did. You agreed/committed to buy something, sent money, THEN you changed your mind. Yes, other people have done that, but they usually change their mind way before any money is sent. The timing on your part is what was not well executed. This sort of situation also is one reason that many people will not ship overseas. Imagine had you gotten the knife and decided it was not what you imagined and then requested a refund? You are both lucky to have cut your losses where you did. Best to take this as a learning experience and make certain you want something before making the commitment, make sure you have a reliable way to communicate with people, and deal with people that you can clearly, reasonably, and pleasantly communicate with. In an environment where there is no face to face communication, we only have our word to rely on and you've proven what yours is worth. You should have known that, it's a pretty basic concept.
 
Someone in this thread actually asked me to include another knife AFTER we had reached an agreement involving a trade, and I had already shipped. As a matter of fact 90 $ worth of knife. I did, and I still think it was a poor move. Certainly since this member deals all the time and said yes both on forum and in a telephone conversation. I think that member needs to rethink his post here and ship back my demanded knife. I chose not to complain as I know the circle of life story. As someone who has been asked to end a deal, more than once, I do. But I never expect the same. But I to this days have purchased hundreds of knives here and traded many, but never again with someone who on a $500 plus trade, changed his mind and demanded more, after my knives were shipped and he still held mine. Yes reputations do last a long time, I guess longer than some members memories. The Golden rule is not green, or blue, It's GOLD for a reason. And a $90 hostage fee is well, certainly telling. Adding the op and buyer to my ignore list, I hope you add me as well.
 
The buyer could have let the seller ship it then said he wasn't happy sent it back, no negative feedback would have been left then. Because that is the buyer's right, as spelled out by PayPal and this forum. I would look at it this way myself, rather than asking for 10% for merely packaging the knife. (you want to sell it, it has to be packaged anyway doesn't it)

As for transfer of funds out of PayPal before you know a buyer is happy with a purchase, not a good idea. You sell items you should know you might have to issue a refund.
 
Though I certainly would not have been happy to have been asked for a refund, I think the OP did greatly over react. Since this was an international transaction, with a fairly new member/buyer, I would have given him a bit of leeway - partly because he is fairly new, and partly because there are often slight differences in cultural norms from country to country. I had an almost identical situation occur some time ago. I let the buyer know that an "I'll take it", means one is 100% committed. The buyer admitted he didn't realize that and apologized and I returned the funds. I prefer to lean toward trying for a little international comradery in our hobby/addiction rather than dynamiting bridges at the drop of a hat.

It looks like the buyer has learned the lesson and hopefully the OP will demonstrate slightly more patients next time. I may have missed it, but it is also good practice to not commit any received funds until the deal is fully completed - knife has been delivered and both parties are happy. I've seen a few instances where the seller was reluctant to accept a knife back because he had already "spent" the money. (Oops, looks like Jill beat me to that statement.) Mike
 
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