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Hate for benchmade or spyderco

Dear God,

I'm really pissed, I have this model down here called "Brownshoe", and he's lost his mind, Ok it's not actually lost just damaged. I called you're warranty department and the guy there said "Sorry, we don't stock replacement brains for that model".

What happened to testing? Did you test "Brownshoe" out before you released it?

If I can't get a replacemnt part would you just replace the whole unit? Really it's a design flaw wouldn't you agree?

What kind of service is that!

I think you've lost control of the whole world!
 
brownshoe said:
As for me, in the recent past, I've generally keep my negative opinion of spyderco to myself, until the spyderco sycaphants get on my nerves as was this case in this thread. Knives and companies can sometimes get fans that are a wee bit too rabid
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By the same token, it's possible to get detractors who have gone off the deep end and expect unreasonable things from a company. Truly, if your complaints were valid, this forum would be full of people saying the same thing. Do you really think that Spyderco would have so many fans on a knife nut forum if they didn't honor their warranties? The people on here are notorious for being tough on knives that they don't lock in a safe.

Furthermore, I thought some of the 'directives' you've handed down to Spyderco, perhaps commands you received on stone tablets, were utterly ridiculous. You'd like them to not only produce the knives that you like, but you'd like them to stop producing the knives whose design philosophy you don't agree with? That has to be one of the sillier things I've read on a forum, and I'm somewhat amazed that Sal has humored you to this point.

It's one thing to be constructively critical of a company where you think they can improve things to make the company better, but your comments fall so far on the other side of that line that they become pointless. Why not tell Spyderco that you won't buy their knives unless Sal personally flies to your house and serves you a 9 course meal? That would at least save everyone some time.
 
Well the title of the thread is "Hate for benchmade or spyderco" and I guess brownshoe hates Spyderco. Regardless of some of his problems being unfounded, in my opinion, and more an issue of his personal opinion, I doubt any comments made here will change his outlook. He is entitled to his opinions though.

I don't consider myself a Sycophant either. None of the positive comments I have made regarding Spyderco ever resulted in me getting anything from them, nor did I expect it. My positive comments are based on past experience owning & using Spyderco knives since around 1987. I own several other knives besides Spyderco and carry them about as much. For the money spent, Spyderco Knives are a great value. My new Endura 4 cost me $50 and I am impressed with it. There are several other folders out there in the 3.5" to 4" range that cost more, yet are no better or actually not as good. My Spyderco Kiwi has incredible fit & finish for a production knife. The only "Gentleman's" type folders I have that are better are my William Henry and my W.C. Davis, but they cost more (a lot more with the WH) than my Spyderco Kiwi. Bottom line: Spyderco = Good Knives for the Money.

As for your opinions of Spyderco's buisness practices, I apply Whelan's Law of Buisness:

"Nothing is impossible for the person who does not have to do the work."
 
brownshoe said:
As for me, in the recent past, I've generally keep my negative opinion of spyderco to myself, until the spyderco sycaphants get on my nerves as was this case in this thread. Knives and companies can sometimes get fans that are a wee bit too rabid, so a different perspective can helpful. Maybe I should be more like the knife magazines and say nothing when something sucks or the truth is twisted and only write words of praise.
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First of all it's sycophants, not sycaphants, if you're going to insult us, at least have the decency to spell it properly.;)

Sycophant: A servile self-seeker who attempts to win favor by flattering influential people.

Interesting accusation. I personally find that angle of argument entertaining. Whenever someone dislikes Spyderco, one of the arguments most often used is that we Spyderco fans are so rabid because we're Sal's little lapdogs. A very humorous conclusion, but erroneous.

Spyderco fans are so rabid because Spyderco knives are impeccable, we are consumers, we buy what we like. We don't jump to the defense of the knives because we're hoping Sal gives us free knives or designs a knife just for us. We do it because we don't like seeing unfounded criticism of a company that performs better than most other companies out there.

By all means we welcome a different perspective. If there is a problem with a knife, we want to know, if customer services sucks(highly unlikely in my opinion) we want to know. But do expect your perspective to be put to the test.

You've obviously got problems with Spyderco, I don't have any of those same problems, I've had nothing but good experiences with them. I doubt you'll be placated by anything I say, more likely it'll just get on your nerves as we sycophants obviously do, so I'll just chalk it up to differing opinions, and call it a day.
 
I dont like the weight or shape of most spidies, I love every BM i ever bought in fact my first one had a spydie hole. So i will continure to collect BM's untill such tiime I find a Spydie i like , cheap or not I think there a little homely. Oh well if we all liked BM's the world would be boring.
 
To be honest I have only fondled about 5 or 6 models. It comes down to feel and balance. I'm sure if I went to a knife show and could fondle all the goods there might be a model that I would like. In my humble opinion its seems my BM's are fantastic knives, plus a work of art. Smooth lines and balance. Where as the G-10 handles seem to be the norm. The BM's offer way more choice of handles.
In you opinion, if you were to recommend one Spydie, which one would it be?
I know they are great functionally, but for sheer beauty and function. I have to with BM. I know they are more pricey but I just save3 a little longer and I am never disappointed. Peace out
 
<rhetorical question>Why do people start threads like this?</rhetorical question>
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Why do people post responses like this? They are totally unpreductive. The amazing thing about this format is if you don't want to participate you do not have to. If you do not like the subject matter move on. Now back to the main program.
 
I have a Red handled Endura which I've had for several years.

I intend that it shall go with me to the next world when they burn it on my funeral pyre barge. :o (not soon though, hopefully)

Clint Hollingworth
The Wandering Ones webcomic
http://www.wanderingones.com
 
Yeah, I really am interested in starting drama here. If you don't like the thread, don't post in it ---or read it. ----Or waste others time who do actually care about what's being said or talked about. -Simple enough?
It appears that some (even you) and other people must be interested, right? -I was, so I started it. And am glad I did.
Trouble in this world is that too many people like to voice thier negitive pointless opinions every chance they can. Those people are interested in drama, not I. I simply asked a question. And it became an interesting thread- to most. Sorry you see it as pointless drama.
 
Siggyhk,

I don't see it as pointless drama. I see a problem however where people are way too into "whatever" knife company they choose to side with.

;)
 
Yes. Some people act like a perticular company is thier family bus. (And in a few cases, it may actually be). But the reality is that both make some of the greatest knives you can get in thier respective price ranges. I started this thread because I was wondering if anyone had legitimate hate for one of these fine companies. After reading so many opinions, I've found this whole thing to be very interesting. And yes, hate is a strong word and could of been worded differently.- But hey.
As far as me and my posts, -I absolutaly will not post unless I have a question that I feel someone here will gladly be able to ansewer, or because I have an opinion to offer to someone else. That's why I'm here. And I find enjoyment in it. - As so many others do as well.

-By the way, I have a all black combo military on the way. Really looking forward to it. Hate the wait.
 
Siggyhk - Misdirected sarcasm on my part, sorry if you took offense.

Apology out of the way, you do have to realize that with a title like you made it will generate drama. Not saying it is a bad topic or that it was your intention to start drama, it just happens.

For the most part, this is a very good thread informing why people are so fond of Benchmade & Spyderco.
 
I know man, I got a lilttle jumpy there, and I didn't mean to come off as a d**k like that either. Your appology is excepted, and I offer my own as well.
 
DaveH said:
Dear God,

I'm really pissed, I have this model down here called "Brownshoe", and he's lost his mind, Ok it's not actually lost just damaged. I called you're warranty department and the guy there said "Sorry, we don't stock replacement brains for that model".

What happened to testing? Did you test "Brownshoe" out before you released it?

If I can't get a replacemnt part would you just replace the whole unit? Really it's a design flaw wouldn't you agree?

What kind of service is that!

I think you've lost control of the whole world!
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:D :D :D ......
 
Joe Dirt said:
I see a problem however where people are way too into "whatever" knife company they choose to side with.
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I don't see any real problem. We're a board full of knife collectors. Some people devote their whole attention to collecting Case slipjoints or Loveless fixed blades. Other people dig Scagel and Scagel-like designs. If somebody sees that same level of beauty in the Axis lock or round opening hole, so be it. They're a Spyderco or Benchmade collector. There's nothing wrong with that, especially on this board.

When people start degrading others, based on their collecting preference; that's when I have a problem.
 
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