Hatred of AO knives

Not to derail your back and forth tussle or anything Thomas, but I'm curious as to what others were talking about with this Texas AO law-to-be. And a deeper question directed to you Mr. Kershaw would be, how would you feel if that gap between Manual and Automatic closed indefinitely and threw AO into the auto category not allowing citizens to carry them legally? You guys have an awful lot of AO knives....just saying.
 
A_Blade_Afficionado said:
There's this thing called a warranty. En.wikipedia.org/wiki/warranty
You might want to sit down for this one, it means they fix what breaks. Very novel concept. I wish knife makers offered it, wait, they do.
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Cute. And, of course, when I'm in the field and my knife breaks, the manufacturer will immediately come to my location with a replacement, right, cause that's when I'll need it?:rolleyes:
 
Thomas W said:
Easy now people, I don't want this thread to get out of hand.
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Certainly not, no ill intent whatsoever, just trying to clarify.

I suspect thought that even if the Texas thing has an effect, Kershaw and everyone else who makes AO knives will still do just fine making manuals openers.

Again, I dont hate AO knives, they just aren't my cup of tea. But, if thats what you want, enjoy. To each their own.
 
SecSpyral said:
Not to derail your back and forth tussle
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There is a tussle?

...Mr. Kershaw
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You smart mouthing me with that "Mr. Kershaw" comment or have I had a long day?:cool:

how would you feel if that gap between Manual and Automatic closed indefinitely and threw AO into the auto category not allowing citizens to carry them legally?
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I think we're a long ways from that scenario, and I don't do "what if" questions.
 
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3Guardsmen said:
But it will not stay closed (no detent), and I think that's probably a major point of contention.

Regards,
3G
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Certainly a fair enough point, but as has been mentioned, not true of all AO models. There are models with detents and others with safeties.

In any case, in a normal situation you would set the knife aside until you get a replacement torsion bar, which we all know, in the case of Kershaw, would be a very short time, and use one of the many spare knives that pretty much anyone posting in this thread is pretty much guaranteed to have.

In the case of the emergency situation that everyone seems to think an AO would be more likely to fail in, I tend to think being able to deploy and lock the blade open is more important than keeping it closed. I think we all agree that opening a SpeedSafe knife with a failed torsion bar (not honestly sure about other brands) is not a problem.
 
kneedeep said:
I personally find AO quite useful, and have found myself in many situations where a one handed manual opening has been impractical, difficult, or ill advised.
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I would love to hear a scenario where opening a knife manually would be "ill advised" and using an AO wouldn't be.
 
I don't get the novice assist talk. I saw a fella, with a beard full of gray whiskers, split his thumb open at the local gun shop while handling a tanto blur. he still bought it, but he reached for his wallet with a bleeding hand. Came close a couple times when I was still a n00b to speedsafe and the flipper models weren't prevalent.
 
I've had plenty of AO's from various manufacturers and sold just about all of them.
I don't hate them, but I don't trust them.

The only ones I've kept are the Benchmade 913D2, Buck Tempest in 154CM, and CRKT Hissatsu.

I guess I'll sell them someday as well.
 
Dekz said:
I would love to hear a scenario where opening a knife manually would be "ill advised" and using an AO wouldn't be.
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Yeah, does sound pretty unlikely, but it generally involved balancing on top of a ten foot ladder trying to hold something perfectly still, while having to cut something else. Being able to open the knife with a minimum of manipulation was a big plus. My arm moved considerably less when using my thumb to nudge the AO open than when my thumb swung in the arc necessary to open my Spyderco Cricket.

Try comparing the number of muscles that end up moving when opening a blade with a Spyderhole (not bashing Spyderco, I love my Crickets) to the muscles that move when you use you use your index finger on an AO flipper or nudging the thumbstud withyour thumb.
 
kneedeep said:
Certainly a fair enough point, but as has been mentioned, not true of all AO models. There are models with detents and others with safeties.
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I've found that, even with, say a ball-detent, an A.O. with a broken torsion bar will need to have its pivot tightened to make up for the lack of tension that the broken torsion bar provided. That's hard to do while out and about, unless one has a torx set with them. Fortunately, Kershaw makes a great, compact, torx tool.:thumbup: As far as the safety goes, I've always found it to be something of a hinderance on an A.O., but definitely necessary.

Good points, Kneedeep!

Regards,
3G
 
hardheart said:
I don't get the novice assist talk. I saw a fella, with a beard full of gray whiskers, split his thumb open at the local gun shop while handling a tanto blur. he still bought it, but he reached for his wallet with a bleeding hand.
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Exactly! Also gives a new meaning to the term 'blood money'.;) It seems people are rather easily fascinated by things that 'bite' them.:D

Regards,
3G
 
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