Help with a trade

Heiheit

Heiheit

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I need some help with a trade. I made a trade agreement with a fellow here located in Canada for my used dmt aligner and used leatherman wave for his Benchmade 710. After I sent him pictures of the condition, he agreed to the trade and we shipped. He got his items and wrote me an email saying that he wants to reverse the trade because of the condition. I haven't received his package yet.

We never agreed to any "trade backs" in our emails and the condition of the items were clearly pointed out. The claim was that he didn't like the condition of the stones. I used the aligner a couple of times ( maybe 3 times) and never abused them in any way; in addition to that, I took very clear photos of the stones. Shipping both ways would be $30 in total.

Is his request for a "trade reversal" reasonable? I see no reason to oblige to his request, but I may be wrong.
 
Heiheit said:
I need some help with a trade. I made a trade agreement with a fellow here located in Canada for my used dmt aligner and used leatherman wave for his Benchmade 710. After I sent him pictures of the condition, he agreed to the trade and we shipped. He got his items and wrote me an email saying that he wants to reverse the trade because of the condition. I haven't received his package yet.

We never agreed to any "trade backs" in our emails and the condition of the items were clearly pointed out. The claim was that he didn't like the condition of the stones. I used the aligner a couple of times ( maybe 3 times) and never abused them in any way; in addition to that, I took very clear photos of the stones. Shipping both ways would be $30 in total.

Is his request for a "trade reversal" reasonable? I see no reason to oblige to his request, but I may be wrong.
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At the end of the day if he's not satisfied with the trade for whatever reason (even a bogus one) then I think you have to trade back. One of the risks of trading I guess.

I have to say it is a little concerning that his package hasn't shown up however. Did he provide you with tracking numbers etc? Do you know that there's actually a package headed your way?
 
I understand that a deal isn't a deal unless both parties are satisfied but the op said he sent detailed pics. Anyway we can see the pics of the stones? Maybe paypalling him what he feels the difference would be, when you get your knife of course, because as it stands right now he is still on the better end of the trade since he now has a product in hand and you do not.
 
Hi guys
Here is my side..... IMO - stones are not "used just a couple of times"
There are 2 possibilities - I'm can't speculate - I don't have all facts.
All I can say with 100% been sure - I'm not satisfied with stones condition.
Mike has not received my end of the trade yet, he is away nowadays,
710 was sent without tracking, but with insurance. I also asked Mike
not to ship 710 back right away - I need to tell him how to prepare a knife
for shipping to Canada(takes under 60 sec) - I have to be sure it'll pass Canadian Customs.
As far as Mike's complain about double shipping cost - well... they doubled for me too...
So if anybody thinks that I got nothing better to do but to literally throw away money and time.... Think again

Mike said he emailed Spark asking if a trade reversal is mandatory. I offered opening a thread here, till he gets Sparks reply.
I'm including pic of the stones - they looked ok.... till I got my hands on them(tried 3 out of 4 on my Wusthof Santoku)
 

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Again I wonder why anyone trades anything around here...

That aside, I don't think anyone has to justify why they aren't happy with the deal, the fact that they are unhappy is justification enough.

Appealing to Spark seems sort of silly. Spark isn't some arbiter of how the world works or anything, he's the owner and grand poobah on this board (nice job he does too) but no matter what he says there's a right way and a wrong way to handle trades, and it appears to me that our initial poster is looking for some reason to leave the other party unsatisfied in a trade.
 
I contacted Spark and Mike G.

Benya, no offense, but I looked through your posts and see you've bee looking for a sharpening service. I realize yo udont want to speculate about stone condition, and you don't need to. I have no reason to lie about the condition.

I don't see how you figure the condition is bad, what do you mean? It takes hundreds and hundreds of uses to wear down diamond stones unless you are using a huge amount of pressure on the stone. Perhaps during the time I am away you should contact someone who regularly sharpens with these stones to see if what you're experiencing is normal.

You've stated that you were traded dmt stones before and you weren't happen with the condition; perhaps, again, you just aren't using them correctly?

Spark did reply via email and essentially said "if he isn't happy, he isn't happy." I'm not really sure what to make of that.

it's disappointing to me that you're not pleased with the stones as I know for a fact that they aren't "worn out".

I think immediately asking for a trade reversal-without prior knoweledge that you might ask this- is unfair to me. I know you don't think shipping is a big deal, but the fact is I do so it makes it a big deal.

As a side note, the rule is a deal isn't a deal until both parties are happy until money has switched hands. The rules also state to ask for a time for review or trade reversal before items have been shipped.
 
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Just trade back,it is just a part of trading.
I have only ever had one person that wanted to reverse a trade,I did not agree with his beef with my goods either but I said OK no problem.I did not even open his package,just relabeled it and sent it back and forgot about it.
 
Mike, I'm not offended in any way...
To be honest - I don't think this a place to discuss anybody's ability to perform any tasks - we can do it in e-mails. I can not make you to reverse the trade - I can only ask you to do so. In the end - it is your choice and nobody's else. I hope I did not offend you either.
 
Not at all friend, it's a complicated situation indeed. I'm going to shoot you over an email.
 
Just to update: Mike and I exchanged few emails, it looked to me that spending money on shipping back my 710 is something he rather not do, I presented an option of him selling the knife and paying me for it. He replied that he isn't comfortable with selling on BF and offered that I sell his end of the trade(DMT & Wave) - I'm not gonna sell product that IMO sub-par. So I'm still asking for my 710.
 
Another update - email from Mike:

What is most likely going to happen is that I am just going to keep the knife. As I said, I still live under my parent's household and must do as they wish (meaning I cannot go out to the post office every day - I have other obligations).

If anyone can explain me the way his parents may forbid him sending my 710 back -
I'd greatly appreciate that. I guess it just another high school kid, who somehow
mentioned in previous email(before trade took place) that his lady isn't allowing him
to spend any $$ on the new knives, doing what other high school kids done here before him.
I think I'm justified now to leave a negative feedback, it'll be a first one for me, and complain to the Mods
after he leaves a negative for me :)
 
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So you are trading with a 14 year old?
I can say that I will not ever deal with him.
It all goes back the the number one rule "the trade is not done unless both parties are happy"
 
Oh,if it were me I would make sure to leave him NEG feedback with a link to this thread in it.
 
If I knew he was a minor - I would NEVER send him a knife - got to be illegal? He only now told me he is in high school. Before he mentioned "his lady not allowing him spending $$ on new knives". Who would've guessed it was his mom?
 
I don't know if it is illegal or not,times have changed sense I was a kid.I was buying knives at 10 years old at Kmart and flea markets.I don't ever ask on any of my deals.
 
Definate high schooler mentality.
Don't wanna follow the rules that make this a great place, and in doing so make the Exchange a not so safe place to trade.

I'll repeat what many have said including the Mods, "A deal is not done till both parties are satisfied"
 
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Another update - email from Mike:

What is most likely going to happen is that I am just going to keep the knife. As I said, I still live under my parent's household and must do as they wish (meaning I cannot go out to the post office every day - I have other obligations).
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Sounds like it's time to get in touch with his parents. I expect they'll straighten him out pretty quick.
 
I will copy the email I sent to you here:

Igor,

What is most likely going to happen is that I am just going to keep the knife. As I said, I still live under my parent's household and must do as they wish (meaning I cannot go out to the post office every day - I have other obligations). If you simply mentioned before you agreed to trade (knowing the terms to that trade) that you would like to be able to trade back - per guideline no. 5 - "5. IF YOU WANT AN INSPECTION PERIOD OR RIGHT TO RETURN A PRODUCT, AGREE TO IT IN ADVANCE. CYA CYA CYA CYA CYA - it will save hard feelings all around." I would simply have said no.

Again, if international rates weren't as expensive as they are or as big of a hassle, I wouldn't mind, NOT because the aligner (or wave for that matter) are sub par in any way, shape, or form. I was explicitly clear on the condition of both items as per guideline 4 - "4. Be explicit in your descriptions & detailed in your photos. A 1mm scuff that's "ho hum" to you is "OMGWTF!" to some collectors."

This is honestly the first time a trade has gone south for me and with your reputation, I can't imagine why this happened. We were both honest (from what I can tell, but I don't understand how you can call it "sub par") and I feel as though I'm missing something. Did you try cleaning the stones? Even if I used them every day for a year, they won't "wear out".

I'm sorry you feel the way you do, but I'm going to hold my ground in saying that the stones are not in bad condition, but they are used (as stated) and I couldn't be more honest. While I don't have as many exchanges as you do, from my trade history you can clearly see that I have no reason to be dishonest.

What I feel is that you didn't want the system to begin with, but figured you'd give it a shot. It's not my fault that the system itself doesn't work the way you want it to, but it is my obligation to ensure that it works the way it is meant to and it does.

I implore you to pro actively research means to utilize the system; don't blame it on the stones. I can help you with that part.

I don't want there to be any hard feelings, but at this point that may be hard to assuage.

Thank you,

Mike

My citations: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261779, http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=786433

Ps Igor you mention in an email: "Honestly, I do not understand why you're so protective of your age been known
BF community would only embrace somebody of your age doing something completely
opposite from what we came to expect from young generation."

The above reasons are why I don't divulge my age.

You also state, "Now I feel like crap, 40+ man "picking up fight" with much younger man." Well, I guess you don't feel so bad any more?

And I see no reason to give you negative feedback.
 
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