What are you hoping to accomplish by attempting to pick apart my reply and restate what is clearly written in a different way? What is your motivation? My point is that you cannot stop anyone from posting in your sales thread. That's great that we are getting a heads up, but aside from refusing the sale what can really be done? You seem to know the answer so please share. One final thing and I'm finished with this thread, yes it would be nice if people were courteous, communicated and paid promptly, but unfortunately they do not. Especially when they are new and have little to no experience with the way this forum works.
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What are you hoping to accomplish by attempting to pick apart my reply and restate what is clearly written in a different way? What is your motivation? My point is that you cannot stop anyone from posting in your sales thread. That's great that we are getting a heads up, but aside from refusing the sale what can really be done? You seem to know the answer so please share. One final thing and I'm finished with this thread, yes it would be nice if people were courteous, communicated and paid promptly, but unfortunately they do not. Especially when they are new and have little to no experience with the way this forum works.
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I usually make it clear that i require immediate payment but it hardly makes a difference. as a matter of fact i just recently had the same problem with a sale. the guy emails me, "i'll take it", then hours later claims that he'll have payment later on that evening, 9 hours go by...10...11...a full day...
I proceeded to send him an email politely asking if he was still interested...no response. The following day...no answer.
It sucks because out of kindness I held on to it (even though i needed immediate payment) and the guy totally stiffed me.
Basically, i feel your pain.
I proceeded to send him an email politely asking if he was still interested...no response. The following day...no answer.
It sucks because out of kindness I held on to it (even though i needed immediate payment) and the guy totally stiffed me.
Basically, i feel your pain.
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my 1st point is that this is a perfectly legitimate thread.
my 2nd point is that you constantly pick people apart on the forums.
my final point is, maybe you should listen more and judge less...
to answer your question: What are you hoping to accomplish by attempting to pick apart my reply and restate what is clearly written in a different way? What is your motivation?
it's called sharing a similar experience.
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Haha there is no point in you two going both and forth at it. Everyone has their opinions which is totally fine.
"My point is that you cannot stop anyone from posting in your sales thread." This is very true, however if this isn't their first time MODS CAN in fact do something such a ban to prevent people like this that can POST IN our sales threads. I mean I guess that is why this GBU thread is here right? To find the bad users who may or may not do these things intentionally. I mean I'll admit Esav gave me a warning because I posted in a thread and broke a rule and I was new. But I listened to him and he helped me with rules and such which was awesome. But for trolls or people who post just to post they wouldn't care... like I've mentioned its just a heads up for other sellers, I respect and thank you for your opinion but no need to bicker with four shore haha its all good. Just some thoughts no need for tension
cheer up!
I appreciate this thread as well and have also thought about posting a couple names for others to be aware of as potential "back-out" artists. Posting "I'll take it" and completely disappearing is a rude lack of communication, but to watch the sales thread drift on to page two and three while not receiving payment and losing good positioning is what gets me the most. The fact that I may have wanted or needed the money in a few days that now turns into a closed thread and 2 week waiting period before I can post again is quite frustrating.
I will be more concise and direct in my future posts with limits on waiting periods for payment going forward, that's for sure.
I will be more concise and direct in my future posts with limits on waiting periods for payment going forward, that's for sure.
It surely does seem that there are a very few members here who seem to think that's it's a race to see who can pick apart another members thread before anyone else does (which many times, no others ever intend to do so). Some talk about others threads either being a waste of time or effort, while not considering their own posts much less than useful, totally out of line and unwarranted.
The OP's motivation or reasons in starting this thread would seem to be both useful and without any real malice intended, truly no more disruptive to the subjects lives than to the OP's life and possible sale. Who would I be to consider his intentions any less.....? Therefore, his initial post may very likely prove to be a learning experience for those who choose to jump the "I'll take it" gun before actually committing to said purchase. It seems quite clear to me that if certain members feel it absolutely necessary to discern and then assign fault with someone in the OP's seemingly honest depiction of his situation, he should have been the last person admonished, rather than the target of the first poster to comment. 'Course, as said earlier, it seems an actual race to do so, by some.
It would also seem that "picking apart" what someone has clearly written goes both ways, unless of course, one refuses to see it that way.
The OP's motivation or reasons in starting this thread would seem to be both useful and without any real malice intended, truly no more disruptive to the subjects lives than to the OP's life and possible sale. Who would I be to consider his intentions any less.....? Therefore, his initial post may very likely prove to be a learning experience for those who choose to jump the "I'll take it" gun before actually committing to said purchase. It seems quite clear to me that if certain members feel it absolutely necessary to discern and then assign fault with someone in the OP's seemingly honest depiction of his situation, he should have been the last person admonished, rather than the target of the first poster to comment. 'Course, as said earlier, it seems an actual race to do so, by some.
It would also seem that "picking apart" what someone has clearly written goes both ways, unless of course, one refuses to see it that way.
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I appreciate threads started as this one did. Simple and to the point, holding one accountable to their actions, while still giving ample opportunity for reply and explanation. I see no reason to not hold members accountable as long as it is done with straight forward fact, and no name calling or other derogatory language. Hopefully one of the other members here will give his side of the story as well. It does not belong in ITrader feedback, but the discourse should be allowed here.
Good luck on your sale OP.
Good luck on your sale OP.
Well thank you for your kind words. But I mean really I don't mean any harm to these guys.. I would just like to know why they would post and then go MIA for a whole week and even till now still no response... If they have the guts to come in here and explain, hey I'm all ears. I'm not going to be a douche and be like heck no you're on my S list i'll never sell to you. I mean if there is a reasonable reason why, then its all good in the neighborhood. But if they don't want to respond and man up to their actions then they will pay the price of getting a refused sale from any of the people that has read this thread.
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^^^ This. I've missed knives I wanted because I saw and respected that "I'll take it" posted. I learned the hard way to post anyway if I want it, but the seller shouldn't have the aggravation. I think a matter of fact post like the OP's, giving the usernames, is appropriate.
Guess I'll put in my 2 cents. I'm not a lawyer and don't pretend to be but in taking some courses in law one of the most elementary rules covering sales is what constitutes a contract.
If you make an offer and the offer is accepted then that is a legally binding contract. One is under a legal obligation to complete the sale if an acceptance is made.
Granted, this forum overlooks these kinds of things because they probably happen so often that many just take it with a grain of salt and filing a suit is kind of silly just for the small amount involved.
However the seller could if they had the time and money force a completion of a sale and be legally justified. Not ever likely to happen but still something to think about. My personal opinion is that there are more important things to worry about than the minor inconvenience of an incomplete transaction.
On the other hand I see no problem with listing the names of people who back out of these contracts because if they are repeat offenders they should be charged with infractions. Notice I said "repeat offenders". Everyone makes mistakes but people who disrupt transactions on a continual basis are hurting those who paid for memberships in order to sell.
If you make an offer and the offer is accepted then that is a legally binding contract. One is under a legal obligation to complete the sale if an acceptance is made.
Granted, this forum overlooks these kinds of things because they probably happen so often that many just take it with a grain of salt and filing a suit is kind of silly just for the small amount involved.
However the seller could if they had the time and money force a completion of a sale and be legally justified. Not ever likely to happen but still something to think about. My personal opinion is that there are more important things to worry about than the minor inconvenience of an incomplete transaction.
On the other hand I see no problem with listing the names of people who back out of these contracts because if they are repeat offenders they should be charged with infractions. Notice I said "repeat offenders". Everyone makes mistakes but people who disrupt transactions on a continual basis are hurting those who paid for memberships in order to sell.
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"More important things to worry about" can only be judged so by those affected. In other words, what affects you and affects you enough to post about it, may be something that I'd never consider taking the time to do..........and vice versa.
It is your personal opinion and I honor yours and all others, however, there are likely as many "incomplete transactions" that aren't "minor inconveniences" as there are major inconveniences caused by "incomplete transactions".
The GBU section, as expected and intended, is filled with such stories, some more remarkable than others with varying amounts of monies and personal inconvenience's involved. While some could care less about the content of these posts and more about the fallout and ensuing drama they oftentimes unleash, there are many others that would much prefer to just bypass any and all inconveniences altogether, if at all possible This not being realistic if one does more than an ordinary amount of business here or elsewhere, these informative posts can help us to avoid dealing with certain individuals that can lead to future inconveniences that I know that I'd rather not experience.......whether a high or low end item.....makes no difference to me.
There are more important things in life than worrying about the completion of a simple financial transaction, but there are, at least, just as many things much less important, as well......IMHO.
Stepping around or bypassing such potentially inconvenient situations, due to gaining and/or hearing information like the OP has submitted, is but one way to help in that personal endevour.
I appreciate that................
It is your personal opinion and I honor yours and all others, however, there are likely as many "incomplete transactions" that aren't "minor inconveniences" as there are major inconveniences caused by "incomplete transactions".
The GBU section, as expected and intended, is filled with such stories, some more remarkable than others with varying amounts of monies and personal inconvenience's involved. While some could care less about the content of these posts and more about the fallout and ensuing drama they oftentimes unleash, there are many others that would much prefer to just bypass any and all inconveniences altogether, if at all possible This not being realistic if one does more than an ordinary amount of business here or elsewhere, these informative posts can help us to avoid dealing with certain individuals that can lead to future inconveniences that I know that I'd rather not experience.......whether a high or low end item.....makes no difference to me.
There are more important things in life than worrying about the completion of a simple financial transaction, but there are, at least, just as many things much less important, as well......IMHO.
Stepping around or bypassing such potentially inconvenient situations, due to gaining and/or hearing information like the OP has submitted, is but one way to help in that personal endevour.
I appreciate that................
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I have learned a lot on this forum. I have also learned more about internet / forum dealings here. The OP felt slighted, period. It's thier choice whether he or she wants to give others a heads up on the situation. If the OP is or was out of line that is for the MODERATORS to determine. I also learned that BRAVADO on the internet is POINTLESS and just makes a simple situation turn into " WORD WAR THREE " Again to no avail as the OP is concerned. It's unfortunate, and some people belong on " Front Street ". John
The OPs sales thread was kinda weird. "To me" anyway. Wall-o-text, casting doubts on his own product and volunteering stuff that needed not to be posted. A lump of photobucket links with odd angles instead of crisp clean pics. One of the pics clearly shows scuffs coming up from the edge and onto he blade - enough that I wouldn't buy it unless I had some nicer blade shots.
It's also an oddball because it's been pimped. So what I'm saying is the OP might be better served by reposting after his 14 days, don't give the knife's "life story" just state the condition, pimpage, excellent pics, and that the knife is under warranty. I think I have my best luck with brevity and let the pics do the talking. A good price doesn't hurt either.
I wouldn't use all of the he said she said language in my thread either. They probably spent a lttle more and got traditional Umnazaans with good pictures. I can't blame them. There's all kinds of tastes though and someone may be looking for just the knife you have. Good luck!
It's also an oddball because it's been pimped. So what I'm saying is the OP might be better served by reposting after his 14 days, don't give the knife's "life story" just state the condition, pimpage, excellent pics, and that the knife is under warranty. I think I have my best luck with brevity and let the pics do the talking. A good price doesn't hurt either.
I wouldn't use all of the he said she said language in my thread either. They probably spent a lttle more and got traditional Umnazaans with good pictures. I can't blame them. There's all kinds of tastes though and someone may be looking for just the knife you have. Good luck!
The OPs sales thread was kinda weird. "To me" anyway. Wall-o-text, casting doubts on his own product and volunteering stuff that needed not to be posted. A lump of photobucket links with odd angles instead of crisp clean pics. One of the pics clearly shows scuffs coming up from the edge and onto he blade - enough that I wouldn't buy it unless I had some nicer blade shots.
It's also an oddball because it's been pimped. So what I'm saying is the OP might be better served by reposting after his 14 days, don't give the knife's "life story" just state the condition, pimpage, excellent pics, and that the knife is under warranty. I think I have my best luck with brevity and let the pics do the talking. A good price doesn't hurt either.
I wouldn't use all of the he said she said language in my thread either. They probably spent a lttle more and got traditional Umnazaans with good pictures. I can't blame them. There's all kinds of tastes though and someone may be looking for just the knife you have. Good luck!
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Excellent advice Chuck. I hadn't seen the thread till you linked it. I still don't think this gives anyone the right to post "I'll take it" only to back out without a word though.
We had a similar discussion at the USN on guys who post "I'll take it" then try to haggle the price down with the seller afterwards. Another no-no imho. To me " I'll take it" means you'll take it as per the seller's stated conditions in the sale's thread. If you have an issue with the seller's terms discuss it before agreeing to buy.
As on most forums, there are a very few here that either believe they should be moderators, deserve to be or could do a better job. These few are so judgemental that their "better than thou" attitude is so much more telling about themselves than what they hope to put across to others about their currently targeted members "failings".
Seems their position in life and/or on this forum is not quite as satisfying as they'd like and attempting to revisit their "hall monitor" status must seem still both desirable and uplifting.
Little people with big ego's.......more often than not.
Seems their position in life and/or on this forum is not quite as satisfying as they'd like and attempting to revisit their "hall monitor" status must seem still both desirable and uplifting.
Little people with big ego's.......more often than not.
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It seems that since "I'll take it" doesn't really mean "SOLD, end of deal", then it is worthwhile to post that you are second inline or third inline or whatever. I was watching a sales thread that I had mild interest in, and noticed that someone posted "I'll take it", someone else posted "second". As it turned out the first poster was international and the seller did not want to ship internationally so the "second" was able to purchase the item.
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If this were any other forum, I would be 100% behind the OP. Because he is correct, and it is worth airing dirty laundry when people are messing with your sales by posting "I'll take it!" and then backing out at their leisure, all the while holding the item hostage. That's just wrong, and reasonable folks would see it that way.
However... we are not on any other forum. We are on BF, where people's thoughts and brainwaves spin off into the Twilight Zone all the time. I take off my "logic" cap when I log into BF because I'm never sure what I'm going to encounter. I see things on BF that just leave me staring at the computer screen with jaw agape... and no one blinks. This sort of crap is one example. Another would be the threads that go:
"Hurr durr. guys, I am broke. I have been eating dog food for the past week and I might lose everything. I need to sell my Sebenza collection fast!"
WHAT THE... Ehmm... oh, yeah. I'm on BF. I don't need to be concerned with the obvious problems of that kind of post. It's just BF... twilight zone... just accept it and move on...
However... we are not on any other forum. We are on BF, where people's thoughts and brainwaves spin off into the Twilight Zone all the time. I take off my "logic" cap when I log into BF because I'm never sure what I'm going to encounter. I see things on BF that just leave me staring at the computer screen with jaw agape... and no one blinks. This sort of crap is one example. Another would be the threads that go:
"Hurr durr. guys, I am broke. I have been eating dog food for the past week and I might lose everything. I need to sell my Sebenza collection fast!"
WHAT THE... Ehmm... oh, yeah. I'm on BF. I don't need to be concerned with the obvious problems of that kind of post. It's just BF... twilight zone... just accept it and move on...
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